Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

Carrot of Truth said:

The Defiant was the best looking Federation ship bar none.

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I always saw a glorified shuttlecraft.

I want my Starfleet ships be regal damn it.

evilchumlee said:

I always saw a glorified shuttlecraft.

I want my Starfleet ships be regal damn it.

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So you want this...

The Whispering Monk said:

So you want this...

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Cool in it's own right, but not what quite what I was going for.

Sailor.X said:

Damn You!!! I can't speak against Ben Sisko's Muths%#@!ing Pimphand.

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Not to mention your own avatar...

While cool due to its capabilities, the defiant always struck me as pretty ugly.

I any case, I remember having lots of fun with the Saber class in SFA:


The Steamrunner and the Akira also deserve praise.

The Whispering Monk said:

So you want this...

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I'd call it baroque.

I wonder if you can use SD to "kitbash" Trek and 40k ships.

Agent23 said:

I'd call it baroque.

I wonder if you can use SD to "kitbash" Trek and 40k ships.

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I'd sure you COULD.

In my mind's eye, I can visualize what such a ship might look like. Change the color scheme to a more blue/gray Federation style, keep the mind section mostly unchanged, the fore section is scrunched and turned into a saucer, slap some warp nacelles jutting off the sides in the aft.

evilchumlee said:

I'd sure you COULD.

In my mind's eye, I can visualize what such a ship might look like. Change the color scheme to a more blue/gray Federation style, keep the mind section mostly unchanged, the fore section is scrunched and turned into a saucer, slap some warp nacelles jutting off the sides in the aft.

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Frankly, that thing looks more like a Klingon warship.

Or cross between a Klingon cruiser and the Cygnus from the movie The Black Hole.

Scottty said:

Or cross between a Klingon cruiser and the Cygnus from the movie The Black Hole.

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You know, looking at the Cygnus. Who else could see it flying somewhere in Imperial space and no one batting an eye at its design. Except for the lack of Aquilla and tech skulls?

Typhonis said:

You know, looking at the Cygnus. Who else could see it flying somewhere in Imperial space and no one batting an eye at its design. Except for the lack of Aquilla and tech skulls?

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As long as they didn't take too close a look at the beings crewing it...

Scottty said:

Frankly, that thing looks more like a Klingon warship.

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Very much so, especially if you consider Discovery Klingon style... it almost fits as a direct bolt on.

While I still despise the actual Discovery Klingons, i've come around on some of the ship designs, especially given the background. It's what happens when the Empire proper by and large crumbles and the Great Houses take to doing their own thing for a century. I think they diverge so much from the 22nd century designs due to some Klingon honor-tradition thing where Bird of Prey's and what not are Empire ship designs and they just don't use them for traditions sake, so the Houses designed their own ships.

Hell in the long run, I don't even hate what the Klingons look like if there was some kind of explanation of it short of "fuck you, fans, this is what they look like now" which is almost exactly the explanation given.

Going off on a tangent, i'm going to stick with my headcanon until such time as it is addressed... which will probably be never... that the DSC Klingons are directly related to the Augment virus. In the century following ENT, the virus burned its way through the Klingons. They didn't just throw up their hands and accept it, they still tried to figure out a way to make it go away. Klingons being Klingons, they tried a "brute force" genetic method that... kind of worked. They tried to fight fire with fire and make a new virus that would overwrite with Klingon DNA. They failed the task successfully and it basically created hyper-Klingons, which are the Discovery-style Klinks. So through the end of the 22nd to the mid 23rd centuries, you've got all manner of things affecting the Klingons... with people in various stages of genetic instability. The hyper-Klingon strain ends up being the most common, but the smooth head Klingons are still out there. They're less common than anything else by the mid-23rd century... but they tend to be grouped together. It's mostly happenstance/coincidence that they're operating mostly along the path of Kirk's Enterprise.

By the late 23rd century, they've finally mostly stabilized the virus and "baseline Klingon" becomes the norm.

Just to bump this up... Trekkies always be acting like their setting is so advanced and cultured, then we get shit like this.

Trigger warning btw!

Husky_Khan said:

Just to bump this up... Trekkies always be acting like their setting is so advanced and cultured, then we get shit like this.

Trigger warning btw!

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Trek is just fairly rational. Although in all fairness, the episode does suggest that the real reason for there being so many in prison is racism, so...

Of course - even back then people were making that argument. And yet Tom is on the nose. I could point out that there are a lot more men in prison than women per capita, but I doubt anyone making that argument with regard to racism would say that this represents sexism. They'd probably just say what Tom said.

Bassoe said:

'Star Trek' Icon William Shatner Roasts Paramount's Continued Attempts To Memory-Hole Captain Kirk: "It Makes No Difference To Me That A Group Who Think They Are 'Enlightened' Obviously Feels Threatened By The Character"

William Shatner has revealed that he remains unphased by Paramount's ongoing attempts to erase Captain Kirk from 'Star Trek' history.

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Shatner is right. They are trying to memory hole classic TOS. SNW Spock will never be Spock to me.

Welp, Shatner just proved himself the adult in the room. Wouldn't be surprised if there were all sorts of REEEE~ in the boardrooms afterwards, since they can't really respond without showing themselves the (wo)manchildren he (accurately) calls them out to be.

Ah yes the 'I've been paid and making money on that for so long nothing you do will change much of anything, get fucked' approach.

Skitzyfrenic said:

Ah yes the 'I've been paid and making money on that for so long nothing you do will change much of anything, get fucked' approach.

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It's also more than that.

Try as they might to erase Shatner's Kirk, they cannot. As soon as people pick up a Star Trek movie... Shatner's in them. Especially if you go looking for the best Trek movies (Star Trek II and VI) are heavily focused on Shatner while having a long form character arc (seriously, Star Treks II, III, and VI together have a long played out character arc for Kirk).

It also doesn't help their cause that Strange New World's writers have also written an episode that showcased that Kirk commanding the Enterprise in the period he's supposed to is CRITICAL to ensuring peace for the Federation. In an episode I was surprised at, they did a flash forward "what if" episode of Strange New World where the premise is Pike doesn't get injured on schedule and instead is in command of the Enterprise during the events of "Balance of Terror". I can't go over the episode beat for beat, but in the end let's just say Pike's more diplomatic and "modern" approach ends up... well... royally screwing things up and basically starting a war between the Romulan Star Empire and Federation. And JUST to drive matters home, they managed to write the episode in such a way as to have Kirk involved, just as the commander of another ship (a ship that was mentioned in the original TOS episode as being just out of range to support...) and had him expressing the plans and course that he took in the original TOS episode. In short, they made it clear that it was Kirk being in command of Enterprise in the engagement with the Romulan Bird of Prey and HIS decisions that were objectively correct... and that had Kirk not played things out as he had the Romulans were poised to launch a MASSIVE invasion.

It actually RETROACTIVELY raised the stakes of Balance of Terror AND made it clear that the Kirk was essential.

So yeah, even as some of their staff and executives seem to want to erase Kirk... their own writing staff ended up aggrandizing him and retroactively making one of the TOS episodes have even higher stakes than originally thought.

Also, as a final thought on Strange New Worlds, one thing I do feel it does is retroactively justify Spock's otherwise seeming out of nowhere loyalty to Pike in the TOS episode The Menagerie. If you just see The Menagerie in TOS Spock's actions kind of come out of left field, they are very uncharacteristic for him and borderline illogical. SNW at least help establish how close Spock was to Pike and strengthens the justification for why he would do what he would in those episodes.

The hilarious thing is it also makes Spock look like a jerk in his relationship with T'pring. What with him cheating on her with Chapel. Actually makes things in TOS even more sad.

Honestly, the whole SNW thing with Spock should've really been with an OC, because it makes the whole Chapel/Spock thing super weird and shitty with him cheating on T'pring and her going to run off and marry Roger Korby, then come running back to Spock a few years later.