CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
If Vic does win, I wonder if he will ever be hired again? The fans may want him, but the studio’s are all idiotic pussies
Yes. My morals also disapprove of what they do initially but all that information was just so compelling that my daily time is spent lurking there to learn quite a lot about people in general and be more satisfied with my own life.I'm not a fan of the community there, but I've got to give them credit; if you want to know what someone has done and/or said on the internet, sometimes even off of it, Kiwifarms is probably the best place to find out. As I recall, Vic's lawyer has said they've been instrumental in finding evidence to support the case against his client's accusers; and considering the sheer amount of data they uncovered and put up on their forum, I believe him.
Yes. My morals also disapprove of what they do initially but all that information was just so compelling that my daily time is spent lurking there to learn quite a lot about people in general and be more satisfied with my own life.
Nick himself doesn't approve of their actions but he has no control over them as he said. They do their own thing.
For Nick, I think it's a case of not wanting to leave money on the table.Yes. My morals also disapprove of what they do initially but all that information was just so compelling that my daily time is spent lurking there to learn quite a lot about people in general and be more satisfied with my own life.
Nick himself doesn't approve of their actions but he has no control over them as he said. They do their own thing.
Yes the people they cover are bad at protecting their own privacy and so the legal speak dictates what they don't put on private is now public.As far as I can tell, how Kiwifarms gets their info is actually REALLY simple because those they get info on are BAD at covering things up or barely bother and hope to shout people into looking the other way
That can be so.For Nick, I think it's a case of not wanting to leave money on the table.
It may be simple, but it's also incredibly tedious and time consuming sifting through even one person's entire twitter history to find something damning; Kiwifarms is impressive, mostly because they're willing to do all the work for free.As far as I can tell, how Kiwifarms gets their info is actually REALLY simple because those they get info on are BAD at covering things up or barely bother and hope to shout people into looking the other way
"Weaponised autism" they call it.It may be simple, but it's also incredibly tedious and time consuming sifting through even one person's entire twitter history to find something damning; Kiwifarms is impressive, mostly because they're willing to do all the work for free.
They're also, like most people, prone to personal bias; I still don't understand their beef with Sargon of Akkad, or why they felt the need to paste his mug across their entire forum for a few days.The only ones who can “fight” them are those with extremely willing ignorance and delusion, that said, I don’t think they do so well when they can’t come up with a counterargument or even know situations in detail
The farms were the people who brought the case of Ron Toye being an abuser to Nick's attention. One of the guys there got so annoyed by the kickvic people posting on twitter they physically went to a Texas courthouse and got the case details there and gave them to Nick.I'm not a fan of the community there, but I've got to give them credit; if you want to know what someone has done and/or said on the internet, sometimes even off of it, Kiwifarms is probably the best place to find out. As I recall, Vic's lawyer has said they've been instrumental in finding evidence to support the case against his client's accusers; and considering the sheer amount of data they uncovered and put up on their forum, I believe him.
The farms were the people who brought the case of Ron Toye being an abuser to Nick's attention. One of the guys there got so annoyed by the kickvic people posting on twitter they physically went to a Texas courthouse and got the case details there and gave them to Nick.
They've also been pretty good at keeping up with new filings in the legal thread such as the recent Beard filing which had an affidavit by Chuck Huber which amongst other things said that apparently Funimation had a casting couch of it's own.
the problem is, if you decide ten innocent people are guilty the ten people who actually DID those things are going free. For ten innocents to suffer requires ten guilty men go free.That's because the court doesn't determine who was worthless it determines who is guilty of an action. When you let 10 guilty men going free you let 10 individual actions go unpunished. Do not let 10 individual machines that cause crime and only calls crime go unpunished forever free of any punishment
the problem is, if you decide ten innocent people are guilty the ten people who actually DID those things are going free. For ten innocents to suffer requires ten guilty men go free.
Could be. Wouldn't say like a hikkikomori. Could be a normal guy who has a job but is still single without being too extreme about it.Sorta off topic, but is #MeToo making men in the West like hikkikomori and otaku in Japan?
Because I can see increased mockery of those “incels” who take to waifu pillows and vn’s as a substitute for relationships along with being actual consumers of entertainment that the FarLeft looks down on yet wants to take over
So if you knew someone had committed a crime, and could possibly harm others, your preferred course of action would be to do basically nothing and pat yourself on the back for not causing a ruckus?
So on that it's either that or they kill themselves from the latest by Tim Pool probably in this environemnt with a demonisation of cis white males.Could be. Wouldn't say like a hikkikomori. Could be a normal guy who has a job but is still single without being too extreme about it.
She didn't "deliberately invoke the mob." She posted an account of being abused by Alec Holowka. At no point did she direct people to harass him.
She got so much attention because a harassment campaign against her ended up developing into a massive reactionary clusterfuck that went on to influence US politics to this day. She doesn't have a ton of money or serious political/media connections.
I'm not going to bother going through the rest of it because quite bluntly I have 0 faith in someone who starts off their journal lying outright about cases you can easily find the details about with a basic google search.
I really don't want to risk a Gamergate derail, so I'll concede the stuff about the movement being dead. (I would like to note, though- isn't a controversy being "the birthplace of Fake News" a clear cut example of it having influence to this day?). My point is that Zoe's status as a public mostly stems from them recieving completely unwanted attention.Influence US politics to this day? The only people who care or are talking about Gamergate are a few people who hated it. No one else even cares about that anymore. Its dead and long since been dead. The only thing I think you can say is that for many it was a big showing of how the news media will lie and tell half truths and are highly politically biased. It can be considered a birth for Fake News.
We don't know what would have happened if he hadn't committed suicide, so it's a bit of a difficult question. I'd like to remind everyone that Alec was mentally ill and at risk for suicide before the allegations came out.Would you consider this suicide a second exception?
Read my post again. I was responding specifically to the argument that people with more power suffer more consequences from false allegations. Also, this forum has barely been around for a month, "most wrong thing so far" isn't even a very high bar to cross.So the most wrong thing on this forum you ever read was that false accusations can end your life.
Justine Sacco was a PR manager, not a vice president.And his statement is so wrong that you point out that it only 'temporarily' harms famous people. The only exception is people who aren't arbitrarily famous enough.... you know.... Vice Presidents of companies
The author I was referring to ( Amélie Wen Zhao) was a relatively obscure YA writer (and YA has a reputation for toxic drama.) not exactly someone with George R.R. Martin levels of name recognition and influence.and actual novelists.
How thoroughly did you read the article I linked?What a relief.... if your a member of the top .01% though... chances are you'll only get a three month to three year hiccup that'll hound you for the rest of your life and probably your family/estate a few decades after that.
The rape kit scandal is actual poor performance by the police but still isn't an argument to not at least make an attempt to go to the police. Which is what you're arguing is the correct move. And in all likelyhood they have improved since the scandal hit. Ignoring that however, this is a Canadian case not a US one. The performance of the US cops is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
First, the paper doesn't say that she wasn't convicted. Second, you're going to completely ignore all of the examples and evidence gathered in the report just because of the first paragraph? I also love how you're willing to take a crazy guy who sends legal scholars aggressive and emotional emails and believes it's some sign of injustice when they don't respond.Your second link is to someone who started their little work with a defense of someone who was caught faking a rape claim. It is telling, that the best some feminist sites can do is go "oh but she was vulnerable and had a bad childhood she shouldn't go to jail for lying". And why did she lie you might ask? Why to not have to take exams of course. And that was just something I found when looking up the author's name on google and finding a page calling her out on it and then searching the name it mentioned. I'm not going to bother going through the rest of it because quite bluntly I have 0 faith in someone who starts off their journal lying outright about cases you can easily find the details about with a basic google search.
Dafuq does that have to do with rape accusations?Hands up don't shoot. Where witness who'd lied before court and helped cause a US wide outrage suddenly realized they couldn't keep at it in a court of law without any consequences and rapidly changed their tune. The best part is that lie still gets brought up to this very day.
Kiwifarms is not a reliable source. At all.The Vic case's one is more difficult by virtue of the nature of the case. The name of the individual is Sam Swicegood who also went under the username ponytoast on twitter. First let's start with his twitter claims as per the archives taken of them by kiwifarms. Started off really strong didn't he? It didn't really last unfortunately for him. As per Nick's coverage of it (1:04:12 to 1:13:21) the police report didn't exist and he retracted everything.
Look, I've tried to tell you guys several times that the point of public accusations isn't to cause lynch mobs and so far none of you have given me a serious response. For the last time, if you were the victim of a crime but don't have enough evidence to secure a conviction, what should you do?And so your solution is to start an online lynch mob where any accusation will be taken as true? Where nothing the person accused says matters and where his guilt will be assumed by nearly everyone unless the accuser manages to fuck it up by falling apart on being questioned? That's not justice. Not even remotely close. The point of these callouts is not to get corroboration. It's to ruin someone without having to bother to go to court or even make a slight attempt to prove your claim. Knowing full well that attempting to get the accuser in court to defend yourself would be almost ruinously expensive assuming you can even win the case, the current Vic Mignogna case has a gofundme that's nearly at the 250k mark and that probably still won't be enough. and very few people who are attacked like that can afford to or will be willing to muster a defense after they've been fired from their job and abandoned by nearly everyone they know. Risk free, consequence free.
Do you not give a shit about the people being accused who have no ability to even attempt to defend themselves? Do you think that it's just that someone can just accuse you of something and ruin your entire life and there's nothing you can reasonably do to defend yourself that would work? We have the courts for a reason. It's so that we have actual justice not some random lynch mob deciding things. Because otherwise? We're going to have more suicides and at some point, someone is going to really snap and put a bullet in the person who accused them. And to be honest? I wouldn't blame them for it.