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So how does it feel to use a gun? Fun experience when used responsibly? I suppose the recoil when experienced for the first time would strain the arm?

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.


Hehehehe. No, more seriously, it really depends on what you shoot and where. My first time was at an outdoor range with a a 9mm, and while it was incredibly loud (because even if you know that they don't sound like they do in movies, that doesn't really tell you how loud they really are) but through the earmuffs it was managable, and recoil wasn't an issue as long as you have your grip right.
 

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So how does it feel to use a gun? Fun experience when used responsibly? I suppose the recoil when experienced for the first time would strain the arm?
From my experiences with the M-16...

It's LOUD. If you don't use any ear protection, an M-16 will leave a ringing sound, like an after-image only for your ears (don't know how else to describe it, after-sound?) with every single shot.

The recoil on an M-16 is really not an issue unless you fire on automatic, then it feels like you're wrestling with it since it REALLY wants to go up. On single shot though there is zero risk of injury, the recoil is not significant, your aim just jumps up an inch or so after each shot.

The most striking thing people usually fail to imagine before ever firing the rifle is the smell. The smell of gunpowder is very dominant the second you fire off the first shot. It's not unpleasant though, it's just there, and is very distinct, unlike anything else you'd smell. After your first shot you would instantly recognize that smell for the rest of your life.

Also you need to be careful not to touch the tiny exhaust port thingy where the casings fly out of, it's very hot. The barrel too after a few shots.
 

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The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

After which the Internet was flooded with videos of five year old girls firing AR15s. You DO need ear and eye protection, though.
 

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Hehehehe. No, more seriously, it really depends on what you shoot and where. My first time was at an outdoor range with a a 9mm, and while it was incredibly loud (because even if you know that they don't sound like they do in movies, that doesn't really tell you how loud they really are) but through the earmuffs it was managable, and recoil wasn't an issue as long as you have your grip right.

Damn, you beat me to quoting that, it makes me laugh every time. For anyone who wants the whole thing, here's the full version. It's especially hilarious given that it's an AR-15, which is popular in part due to how easily managed the recoil is...

So how does it feel to use a gun? Fun experience when used responsibly? I suppose the recoil when experienced for the first time would strain the arm?

It's good fun, I try to get out to the range every couple weeks. If you live in the US, or travel there for a holiday or work, you can find ranges that rent out a wide variety of firearms, giving you a chance to try a bunch of different things without buying them yourself. A .22 is also a great way to get started, as the ammo is dirt cheap and the recoil is very low. If you stick with .22 or 9mm, it's unlikely you'll have any real issues with recoil. Most recoil stories are the result of people giving novice shooters a shotgun or 50 cal pistol that they don't know how to handle properly.

I'd also echo what people have said above about the noise. I typically use two layers of ear pro, in-ear and over-ear, as it makes a big difference if someone nearby is shooting something loud.
 

Arch Dornan

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Had a feeling I heard of that new article somewhere or maybe it was a different one about getting traumatised by a shooting videogame. What a pansy.

That said. It does pose an interesting question when guns were less advanced up to muskets when nobody had ear muffs for sound protection.

I presume gun users those days besides hunting and using it against other people will retain possible damages of using a gun that may damage their ears excluding other hazards during wartime.

Getting recoil from a musket I'm not sure of unless I search that.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Had a feeling I heard of that new article somewhere or maybe it was a different one about getting traumatised by a shooting videogame. What a pansy.

That said. It does pose an interesting question when guns were less advanced up to muskets when nobody had ear muffs for sound protection.

I presume gun users those days besides hunting and using it against other people will retain possible damages of using a gun that may damage their ears excluding other hazards during wartime.

Getting recoil from a musket I'm not sure of unless I search that.

I’d think there would also be lung problems, same for guys who were working as blacksmiths......those forges’ fumes should NOT be breathed in or be near
 

Arch Dornan

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To all those luddites, you’re all fucking assholes who glorify manual labor and possibly getting weak, sick and dying due to how streneous and possibly poisonous work environments can get
Everything in life can be a risk.

At least now there's more awareness and addition of safety equipment.

Though I don't know about law enforcement or military. I doubt they use ear plugs.
 

Arch Dornan

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Well, we used ear plugs if we knew we would be shooting.
In law enforcement or military in a hazard zone?

I'm biased from all the media and entertainment so the finer details of whether people in those careers ever used something as simple as an ear plug to prevent noise damage and distraction I don't know.
 

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Or maybe you might think about Cowboy Action Shooting (Dungeons and Dragons with guns.) There's a lot of paths to take.

I'd be much more of a cowboy action shooting fan if large elements of that community weren't aggressively sexist in the way the mandatory cosplay rules are enforced.
 

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So how does it feel to use a gun? Fun experience when used responsibly? I suppose the recoil when experienced for the first time would strain the arm?
A little terrifying when you start, but that's because I got into the hobby wrong.

When you're shooting a gun for the first time, there's two things you can do wrong. The first is to start with a big caliber, like 8mm Mauser. All you'll do is teach yourself to flinch and fear the trigger.
The second thing you can do wrong, in my opinion, is start with a semiautomatic gun that has an open action like an SKS, M14-clone, or an M1 Garand. With those guns, the action is cycling and spitting out brass right in front of your face. Even if it's over in a split second, I think it scares off anxious shooters. Better to start with a bolt-action rifle or a semi-auto with a closed action, like an AK or an AR-15.

But yeah. It's a fun experience when used responsibly, and the recoil isn't that bad. Just start out small and get used to it first.
 

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Had a feeling I heard of that new article somewhere or maybe it was a different one about getting traumatised by a shooting videogame. What a pansy.

That said. It does pose an interesting question when guns were less advanced up to muskets when nobody had ear muffs for sound protection.

I presume gun users those days besides hunting and using it against other people will retain possible damages of using a gun that may damage their ears excluding other hazards during wartime.

Getting recoil from a musket I'm not sure of unless I search that.
Muzzle-loading firearms, which muskets are only a subcategory of, are actually quote a different beast than most modern firearms.

Firstly, they're almost ALWAYS firing a larger caliber round than modern weapons. The SMALLEST they went was about .30 caliber for black powder revolvers, and most rifles were chambered in at least .45 caliber (typically long rifles). The famous Brown Bess Musket, used by the British through the 18th century, was nearly .70 caliber.

Further, those weapons used proper Black Powder, not modern smokeless powder. They're two very different compounds, and modern powder is actually more powerful than Black Powder, while also less volatile. On top of all that, with Black Powder weapons you would consciously alter you powder load depending on what you were doing with the weapon at any given time, with the rule of thumb being that for shooting to kill you wanted to fire approximately three times the caliber in grains (IE, for a .50 caliber weapon, you'd use 150 grains of Black Powder).

All that said, Black Powder weapons do tend to be quieter than modern ones for a variety of reasons. The noise from firearms mainly comes from the explosive discharge of the powder. The more efficient and tightly contained the explosion, the louder it ends up (sound is, after all, merely a shockwave in the air, the more intense the shockwave, the louder the sound). Due to the way Black Powder firearms work, they are simply less efficient at containing the explosion than modern firearms. Thus they tend to be quieter. Not so quiet as to where one shouldn't wear hearing protection went using one, especially if you're going to be around a lot of them, but not so loud as to give you tinnitus (that's the formal name for the ringing in the ears folks are referring to) immediately.

As to the question of kickback, they actually tend to not kick as much as you'd think. Bear in mind, traditional Black Powder weapons are made of steel (for the barrel), brass (for the lock), and hardwood (for the stock)*. Neither of these things are exactly LIGHT. The Brown Bess musket mentioned earlier weights a bit over TEN POUNDS. In comparison, the original AR-15 weights just over six. This increased mass, combined with less well contained explosion means that most black powder weapons don't kick all that much when used when firing a killing load. And even less when you're firing a practice load (that is, firing as many grains as your caliber, meant for casual target shooting as to not waste powder).

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* Why yes, the parts of a musket are, in fact, what the old saying of "lock, stock, and barrel" to mean "everything" is referring to.
 

Arch Dornan

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A little terrifying when you start, but that's because I got into the hobby wrong.

When you're shooting a gun for the first time, there's two things you can do wrong. The first is to start with a big caliber, like 8mm Mauser. All you'll do is teach yourself to flinch and fear the trigger.
The second thing you can do wrong, in my opinion, is start with a semiautomatic gun that has an open action like an SKS, M14-clone, or an M1 Garand. With those guns, the action is cycling and spitting out brass right in front of your face. Even if it's over in a split second, I think it scares off anxious shooters. Better to start with a bolt-action rifle or a semi-auto with a closed action, like an AK or an AR-15.

But yeah. It's a fun experience when used responsibly, and the recoil isn't that bad. Just start out small and get used to it first.
I doubt I'll get to try it where I am. Maybe one day.

Used to remember this video of someone in Las Vegas who shot a bullet proof safe with a minigun. Wasn't that bullet proof after that.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I doubt I'll get to try it where I am. Maybe one day.

Used to remember this video of someone in Las Vegas who shot a bullet proof safe with a minigun. Wasn't that bullet proof after that.

For a moment I thought you were talking about Fallout New Vegas

Also, I think this thread has gone kinda off topic, that said you guys definitely show more knowledge on guns than those complaining about them
 

Arch Dornan

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For a moment I thought you were talking about Fallout New Vegas

Also, I think this thread has gone kinda off topic, that said you guys definitely show more knowledge on guns than those complaining about them
Yes I shall continue my reply in the gun thread which I forgot.

My knowledge is mostly just what I read I never touched one except BB guns and looking at what police carry with them at their side pocket or when they walk around with a gun that requires two hands in the airport.
 

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