China Massive influx of Chinese apologia and shilling amidst Covid-19

MelancholicMechanicus

MelancholicMechanicus

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Cherico said:
The Opium wars wasn't some thing where china was a complete victim, they could have easily avoided it by being a little less arrogant.
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China had centuries to grow and slowly reform their monarchy. Instead they were so stuck up their own asses the entire planet moved on and when they finally realized they were not the Celestial Emperors they liked to portray themselves as, it was too late.

If they had taken a moment to realize that maybe, just maybe, they should look outwards a little bit they could have stopped their fall. "Hey, these pale barbarians sure fight a lot. Maybe send some of our generals to watch their petty squabbles would be a fun venture! Oh they sure do love killing each other, lets just make sure we are up to the task of crushing them if they ever try to invade the Middle Kingdom."

Instead their arrogance brought on their hubris. Even when the Emperors and the Nobles started to modernize and push for a little reform the Boxer Rebellion happened, with the peasants themselves trying to crush the progress out of the country.

Britain simply did to China what China did to it's neighbors for thousands of years.
 
CarlManvers2019

CarlManvers2019

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Random Username said:
If they were more successful they could even get Victoria to be empress of China just like what the victorious Manchu did when they seized control from the Ming.
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Cherico said:
I still think the Ming were the better dynasty between the two, ever seen ming hair styles? Fucking glorious, ever seen a Qing hairstyle Lame.
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There’s a problem there, she does NOT look anywhere near East Asian, she probably will NOT be living in China

Thus making it so that China is no longer the “middle” of the universe
 
Arch Dornan

Arch Dornan

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Cherico said:
I still think the Ming were the better dynasty between the two, ever seen ming hair styles? Fucking glorious, ever seen a Qing hairstyle Lame.
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They had a good run.

Maybe more replies should be put in the imperialism thread.
 
Zachowon

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MelancholicMechanicus said:
It doesn't quite sound like shilling, but it also doesn't sound truthful. If it started somewhere else how come Wuhan was the fist place it popped up? How come more of Europe and the UK didn't experience the first outbreak back then?
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I am guessing it is an attempt to try and see if it did not start in china?
 
Prince Ire

Prince Ire

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While I think much of SB's attitude on conspiracy theories regarding Covid-19 is justified, it is blatantly one-sided in enforcement. Deadly Snark made a post claiming that the US was deliberately making the outbreak in Iran worse in the hopes of causing Iran to collapse. Not seeing any difference between this and other conspiracies that had received infractions previously, I reported it. Naturally, nothing came of it.

And this is hardly a one time thing. Deadly Snark's almost constantly posting conspiracy theories which, if they were about China, would get him infracted if not outright banned.
 
MelancholicMechanicus

MelancholicMechanicus

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Snark has the admin's backing. Just observe how the admins and mods themselves defend the CCP and take turns to talk smack about Trump at any possible chance they get. It's obvious their own opinions have clouded their judgement. The cancer is terminal. The Whitehall has been purged of original thought long ago, now it's just a echo chamber for the members that stay there 24/7 to pat themselves on the back. Just notice the massive imbalance on likes on the screenshot I posted. Or in fact what you just mentioned about how conspiracy theories painting the USA as evil warmongers going after poor China are just hand waves besides being more implausible than the accidental release of a SARS strain from a lab.
 
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Cherico

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Reveille said:
I didn't realize how far the CCP's reach extended until this pandemic. Now, I realize the truth.

These sons of bitches have their motherfucking tendrils in everything.
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Most countries with wealth and power have surprising reach and power.

That china one of the most populated countries on the earth, one of the richest countries on earth and a great power has influence is not surprising. What is suprising is just how badly they have handled this crisis. If they were looking to deflect blame all they had to do was stick to the original story. Which was the guy in charge of Wuhan was an asshat who covered his ass at the expense of every one else and fucked everything.

Most countries would have accepted that and understood that pandemics happen, match that with closing the wetmarkets and installing a food safety regime equivalent to most of the countires in the world and China would have been forgiven realy quickly. How ever trying to scape goat America during one of its national panics not a good idea.

That among many issues has made China a bipartazin issue for the US with Biden openly stating he would be even harder on china. Blaming Italy for the issue basically pissed off the Whole EU. Essentally China seriously fucked up and there will be conquences for them.
 
f1onagher

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Cherico said:
Most countries with wealth and power have surprising reach and power.

That china one of the most populated countries on the earth, one of the richest countries on earth and a great power has influence is not surprising. What is suprising is just how badly they have handled this crisis. If they were looking to deflect blame all they had to do was stick to the original story. Which was the guy in charge of Wuhan was an asshat who covered his ass at the expense of every one else and fucked everything.

Most countries would have accepted that and understood that pandemics happen, match that with closing the wetmarkets and installing a food safety regime equivalent to most of the countires in the world and China would have been forgiven realy quickly. How ever trying to scape goat America during one of its national panics not a good idea.

That among many issues has made China a bipartazin issue for the US with Biden openly stating he would be even harder on china. Blaming Italy for the issue basically pissed off the Whole EU. Essentally China seriously fucked up and there will be conquences for them.
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I think the pro-Hong Kong rumblings in the west unnerved China as it meant that both sides of the West's political dichotomy were casting skeptical and hard looks at China for the first time in decades. Given that China currently survives via grifting off of everyone else on the planet it was a bad omen and likely forced Xi into being dynamic to appease domestic concerns.

Just an idle theory, but with Trump ginning up opposition to China for the first time in years and Lighthizer openly licking his chops in the wing I figure there's a few Chinese analysts calling for hail mary's before its too late.
 
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Cherico

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f1onagher said:
I think the pro-Hong Kong rumblings in the west unnerved China as it meant that both sides of the West's political dichotomy were casting skeptical and hard looks at China for the first time in decades. Given that China currently survives via grifting off of everyone else on the planet it was a bad omen and likely forced Xi into being dynamic to appease domestic concerns.

Just an idle theory, but with Trump ginning up opposition to China for the first time in years and Lighthizer openly licking his chops in the wing I figure there's a few Chinese analysts calling for hail mary's before its too late.
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The Chinese government fully understands that their economy is like a really skillfully played game of Jenga. That's why they were locking down all of the hatches long before the Hong kong rumblings. The Chinese communist party isn't stupid the fact that they have managed to keep the economy going as long as it has dispite using an economic system that eventally causes a total blow out on steroids as long as they have is a testament to their skill.

But no matter what they do the laws of economics will catch up to you and there will be a market correction. It was going to be painful for china no matter what happens but not they have alienated the EU, America and numerous other countries so when it goes down help is unlikely to arrive.
 
liberty90

liberty90

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I feel slightly sympathetic to Dengism and modern Communist Party of China out of a very simple reason: they pretend to be maoists, but pretty much buried the monster known as orthodox maoism. Now, if they could bury red flags and become right-wing (or neoliberal center-left/center-right) state, that would be even nicer, but world is not ideal.

People point out that communism tend to collapse or stagnate economically, and sure, that's the case. The thing is that modern China is closer to economic fascism (corporatism), than to "communism", regardless of the red flag used.
 
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