Carrot of Truth
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New Vegas was basically the end of Fallout, I only wish we had gotten Van Buren properly.
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New Vegas was basically the end of Fallout, I only wish we had gotten Van Buren properly.
Not going to lie, I reckon Van Buren was going to be kinda shit. But at least the series would've died with some dignity.
Carrot of Truth
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This series is just part of a wider problem of how modern writers just seem to have no real talent. It seems like the majority of stuff to come out lately has the depth of a puddle and the effort of a toddler behind it.
Scooby Doo
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I'm not answering that question to someone who only considers less than 50% of the games canon in the series
It's the competency crisis in action, the foundations for skills and knowledge has eroded, so the structure will collapse no matter how many walls are fixed.
Whoah now, I might be a bit opinionated with Fallout Tactics, but I assure you Fallout 1-2 and New Vegas are canon! So that means I am only considering 25% of the games to be non-canon. I mean what other games in the series even released? Van Buren was cancelled remmeber?I'm not answering that question to someone who only considers less than 50% of the games canon in the series
Scooby Doo
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Eh, waiting to see if they're reconning New Vegas or just changing the dates of events.
Warmaster
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I'm like 99% certain you like the wasteland staying that way.No I'm arguing don't expect New York fucking city in an extremely hostile and resource scare environment.
Yeah and that's what's been done in Bethesda canon, factions fail then rebuild then fail. It's literally a cycle.
You legit never played FNV have you? Can you at least skim the wiki of Fallout 2? Its not faithful at all...I just think you're being extremely nitpicky over the most trivial shit tbh
It's literally only retconned 2 things, only one of which is an actual serious issue (Timeline) other then that it's been faithful
Because you didn't want to pay attention
1. No NCR Army seen because there's no official authority to organize them only remnants that follow different leaders
2. No industrial base seen because Season 1. Takes place on the nuked Capital of NCR so there wouldn't be a visible industrial base, despite this the NCR Antagonist connects a Cold Fusion device to power up cities off in the distance.
Shady Sands isn't the center of industry in the NCR. Several states have industry. Boneyard for example. The Shi also have some neat tidbits. Central Valley is literally an agrarian... what am I even explaining?
I'm tired of being told I didn't pay attention. I really put in the effort to critically think about this. Certainly this series is not meant for viewers to pay attention.
We see NV is a complete wreck with no lights...Or roads for that matter. Evidently Todd's seething over everyone preferring NV to 4 caught up with him.Eh, waiting to see if they're reconning New Vegas or just changing the dates of events.
Warmaster
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Don't forget brooms and dusting was never reintroduced according to Bethesda. Unless the faction is evil. I'd imagine if I was somehow put into Fallout I would just be neurotically cleaning everything.We see NV is a complete wreck with no lights...Or roads for that matter. Evidently Todd's seething over everyone preferring NV to 4 caught up with him.
Jokes aside. I'm going to play FNV just out of spite.
Navarro
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It can't be to wank the BoS, because FO4 also has that CC quest implying the BOS rule over the CW collapsed when they left.
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We see NV is a complete wreck with no lights...Or roads for that matter. Evidently Todd's seething over everyone preferring NV to 4 caught up with him.
Todd hasn't been involved in the writing for decades hell he has basically just been a Spokesman for that time.
This is the retard responsible for fucking everything up.
Emil Pagliarulo
Scooby Doo
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I'm 99% certain you just irrationally hate anything that's Bethesda related just because it mentions Bethesda.
I've played New Vegas and beaten the DLC's it is faithful and like I mentioned there were only two major issues.
Your point? The location of events take place in the nuked crater of Shady Sands not elsewhere.
Irrelevant because it doesn't take place there
What's next you're going to talk about the Brotherhood in the East Coast?
Except you're not paying attention though
You're complaining about factions and locations the Protagonist doesn't even go to.
Only Retcons in the show are
1. Shady Sands being in L.A
2. Shady Sands being nuked before the events of New Vegas
The NCR still existed, the NCR still became the strongest faction in the West at one point. The NCR still had rangers created, Stimpacks still exist laser weapons still exist, ect.
Warmaster
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Oh yeah. My comment on liking 3,4 and 76 means I despise Bethesda. I only care about being a hater.
The location of the Fallout show takes place all over the region of Shady Sands. We see shanty towns. The NCR before it was nuked was a country engaging in imperialism, tourism and trade with the entire West Coast region. Trains!I'm 99% certain you just irrationally hate anything that's Bethesda related just because it mentions Bethesda.
I've played New Vegas and beaten the DLC's it is faithful and like I mentioned there were only two major issues.
Your point? The location of events take place in the nuked crater of Shady Sands not elsewhere.
Irrelevant because it doesn't take place there
What's next you're going to talk about the Brotherhood in the East Coast?
Except you're not paying attention though
You're complaining about factions and locations the Protagonist doesn't even go to.
Only Retcons in the show are
1. Shady Sands being in L.A
2. Shady Sands being nuked before the events of New Vegas
The NCR still existed, the NCR still became the strongest faction in the West at one point. The NCR still had rangers created, Stimpacks still exist laser weapons still exist, ect.
The reasons I mentioned those places is because the NCR isn't in post-apocalypse mode. Its done with the apocalypse. The capital getting nuked doesn't equate the entire region becoming Fallout 1. The entire region just outside of Shady Sands got hit with a reset or smth. Or they started cosplaying at their grandparents/great grand parents.
My argument is that outside the city we should be seeing towns at least on the frontier level. Not filthy shanty towns that looks like it belongs in Fallout 1. I guess that 700,000 population they had persists on scavenger culture somehow. After centuries. Don't ask how.
Ixian
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Weird, almost like hiring activists instead of writers degrades the story and lore.
Scooby Doo
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Yeah it seems so if you're gonna accuse me of just wanting huts
No it takes place over the region of L.A.
Shady Sands got retconned to where L.A was and per Fallout 2 it is supposed to be a shit hole, once more showing you weren't paying attention.
Exactly but the capital got nuked 19 years ago, not enough time to rebuild especially when in the midst of a civil war.
"Entire Region"
Literally spends the entirety of the season in L.A.
Which was in your holy pure absolutely perfect Fallout 2 canon still a shit hole
Uh no?
The Protagonist was in the LA location, Filly was the only major settlement she went to and it was located next to Santa Monica less two days walk.
The equivalent of distance she traveled around season 1 would be this
This is factual, you make it sound like she traveled all across the NCR territory when in reality she just traveled across a section of the Boneyard.
Scooby Doo
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This is actually the furthest quantifiable distance she traveled before having to backtrack a few times in season 1.
The distance between Santa Monica and Lankershim is 20 miles
She only rests one night and reaches the Filly settlement the following morning assuming she walked a pace for 16 hours the first day and another 8 hours the following
24 hours worth of walking at an "average" walking speed would cap the Filly settlement no more than 36 miles from Santa Monica which is in line with her reaching Lanketshim with in a day.
So in summary she didn't travel across the entirety of the NCR, so please critique about actual shit not wahhh my NCR Utopia didn't cover 99% of L.A
Edit: And for the record no I don't like that they retconned the location to be in LA but it doesn't mean it retconned literally everything else about the NCR.
They literally created an engine to harness cold fusion and it's capable of interacting with an energy grid as far as the eye can see
All of the NCR isn't a wasteland is my point, the character Lucy only traveled around the ruined areas of the setting even the NCR Remnants that appear at the end had their base just a one day walk away from the crater of Shady Sands.
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>If I call rational disliking of something 'irrational hatred' I look more correct
I counter with a retort, you're just irrationally infatuated with anything that's Bethesda related because it mentions Bethesda.
Scooby Doo
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Hey everything I've said is fax with cites to back it up.>If I call rational disliking of something 'irrational hatred' I look more correct
I counter with a retort, you're just irrationally infatuated with anything that's Bethesda related because it mentions Bethesda.
It's in the show people just gotta pay attention
No no no, I am certain it's just irrational infatuation, that must be it. ;VHey everything I've said is fax with cites to back it up.
It's in the show people just gotta pay attention
Can we at least agree that the Fallout IP being in the hands of Bethesda is not doing it any favors? Come on can you seriously say that Skyrim and Starfield could be judged as 'good stories'?
Carrot of Truth
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This is a controversial take but Skyrim is the most overrated game of all time. It was outdated and clunky when it released in 2011 and the story was an absolute joke. The last game made by Bethesda that was up to date for its era was Oblivion and that game also had a mediocre story, Shivering Ilse was cool though. Aside from that their last truly great game was Morrowind.
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