Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

No, they absolutely won't. Generally, you are told just to ignore it, and they ignore you. They absolutely cannot have the heat of killing an American on them, especially in America, but also no reason to get them to want to risk it.

And again, you don't seem to get what an imminent threat is.
So you would rather let the risk that your life is lost first then make sure they do not get off yours?
Give them a vocal warning.
If they dint listen you show then your weapon.
If that doesn't work, you shoot at them.
If that doesn't work you shoot them.

Sadly, sometimes you have to skip a few steps due to what you could be facing
 
No, they absolutely won't. Generally, you are told just to ignore it, and they ignore you. They absolutely cannot have the heat of killing an American on them, especially in America, but also no reason to get them to want to risk it.

And again, you don't seem to get what an imminent threat is.
Wait, you actually think the cartels are afraid of US heat on them for killing a random US citizen near the border?!

What nice, unicorn reality do you live in?
 
So you would rather let the risk that your life is lost first then make sure they do not get off yours?
Give them a vocal warning.
If they dint listen you show then your weapon.
If that doesn't work, you shoot at them.
If that doesn't work you shoot them.

Sadly, sometimes you have to skip a few steps due to what you could be facing
... HE WASN'T RISKING HIS LIFE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If he was in fear of his life, this would be believable. But this was just a guy going through his land. Guy made no motion toward a gun or waist, was just trespassing (maybe unknowningly) then shot.

You have to wait until you are under some sort of threat. Any threat. Guy going for his waist band. Fine! Guy starts walking towards you aggressively? Fine! Guy get's angry at you? Fine. Guy does nothing? not fine. Not at all fine. Maybe you are wrong about the property line. Maybe the hiker is deaf. I can come up with a thousand possibilities. The problem was the lack of a reasonable threat.
Wait, you actually think the cartels are afraid of US heat on them for killing a random US citizen near the border?!

What nice, unicorn reality do you live in?
... They objectively are? Seriously. Look it up. The amount of Cartel killings of Americans in America is really freaking small, and gets even smaller if you exclude other cartel members (who aren't American usually).
Look at this one maybe exception that proves the rule:
"Cartels have been very careful, in general, not to engage in that kind of violence in the U.S.," Mr. Wayne said. "They know law enforcement and the justice system are more effective than in Mexico."
Mr. Jones, the scholar who studies Mexican organized crime, said cartels preferred to subcontract violence to gangs, and he suggested that the deadly rampage in Goshen might have been the work of "an undisciplined soldier or an individual on drugs making irrational decisions."

"Cartels try to avoid big, spectacular acts of violence in the United States," he said.
So maybe, just maybe, read a little before spouting claims of knowledge in things you haven't read about.
 
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But are you in a border state where coyotes (not the animal) may pose a bigger danger then a robber?
Um you do realize that home invasions with multiple intruders are a thing right. You do remember I told you that happened to my cousins in Santee a few years back right. It is rare but it does happen from time to time. And if the Cartel wanted a rancher dead. He would be dead. They have more firepower than the Mexican Police Force.

Uh, you do realize in this context the guys this rancher are likely to face are drug smugglers, human traffickers, and illegal immigrants.

Only 1 of 3 these groups is likely to let the rancher live if they are discovered; the cartels will absolutely shoot a random American on their property to protect the cartels border crossing routes.
If a Rancher can't tell the difference between an unarmed person and a armed person with the intent to cause harm to him or his family. Then he should not be out confronting anyone. Some people may not want to hear this but. Some people in the 2A community actually want to shoot someone on their property dead. One of my coworkers has this exact same mentality. Kind of why the Higher Ups in the company I work for won't let him get an armed certification. He would shoot someone without critically thinking it through. And like I said earlier some of these people have a nasty habit of shooting at people not even on their property in the first place.
 
... HE WASN'T RISKING HIS LIFE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If he was in fear of his life, this would be believable. But this was just a guy going through his land. Guy made no motion toward a gun or waist, was just trespassing (maybe unknowningly) then shot.

You have to wait until you are under some sort of threat. Any threat. Guy going for his waist band. Fine! Guy starts walking towards you aggressively? Fine! Guy get's angry at you? Fine. Guy does nothing? not fine. Not at all fine. Maybe you are wrong about the property line. Maybe the hiker is deaf. I can come up with a thousand possibilities. The problem was the lack of a reasonable threat.
You are conflating that I am defending the man and what he did.
I am just explaining situations that could cause this.
Um you do realize that home invasions with multiple intruders are a thing right. You do remember I told you that happened to my cousins in Santee a few years back right. It is rare but it does happen from time to time. And if the Cartel wanted a rancher dead. He would be dead. They have more firepower than the Mexican Police Force.


If a Rancher can't tell the difference between an unarmed person and a armed person with the intent to cause harm to him or his family. Then he should not be out confronting anyone. Some people may not want to hear this but. Some people in the 2A community actually want to shoot someone on their property dead. One of my coworkers has this exact same mentality. Kind of why the Higher Ups in the company I work for won't let him get an armed certification. He would shoot someone without critically thinking it through. And like I said earlier some of these people have a nasty habit of shooting at people not even on their property in the first place.
Cartels try to minimize the amount of violence they have on the US side of things.
Because the US military cracking down when they go on large murder sprees is something they don't want
 
Because the US military cracking down when they go on large murder sprees is something they don't want
Exactly. They know there are warhawk DC pol's who want to invade Northern Mexico (Buttigieg, looking at you). They don't want to end up in Guantanamo. And they know they can do whatever they like in mexico as long as they don't fuck around too much in America.
 
Do I remember correctly that 20? 30? years ago in Louisiana (?) an evidently unarmed Japanese exchange student (?) ignored "git orf me lawn!" verbal warnings (his English was subpar, apparently) and was shot? With the shooter acquited?
Was the shooter black?
 
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Exactly. They know there are warhawk DC pol's who want to invade Northern Mexico (Buttigieg, looking at you). They don't want to end up in Guantanamo. And they know they can do whatever they like in mexico as long as they don't fuck around too much in America.
Still doesn't stop them. They have shot at US troops from across the border
The one where the guy shot her in the back of the head definitely calls for charges.
Ph for sure. Not trying to defend him or anything just point out motives and stuff
 
Still doesn't stop them. They have shot at US troops from across the border

Ph for sure. Not trying to defend him or anything just point out motives and stuff
It's really, really rare. It absolutely stops them. It's why on their side they see hundreds of murders per year per city, and on our side it's so much less.
 
It's really, really rare. It absolutely stops them. It's why on their side they see hundreds of murders per year per city, and on our side it's so much less.
They target federal BP agents over military.

Honestly, I think we should send the mikitary to deal with the cartels.
Because unlike A-stan the people of Mexico have a lot more in common eith us
 
They target federal BP agents over military.

Honestly, I think we should send the mikitary to deal with the cartels.
Because unlike A-stan the people of Mexico have a lot more in common eith us
Looking it up, I found one murder of a BP by cartel in 2017, and nothing since. That sucks and all, but it's not them targeting BP to any extent. Again, my original point of "Cartels almost always leave American's alone in America" stands.
 
Looking it up, I found one murder of a BP by cartel in 2017, and nothing since. That sucks and all, but it's not them targeting BP to any extent. Again, my original point of "Cartels almost always leave American's alone in America" stands.
In the thread this WAS in someone posted stuff about what the cartels have done.

I want them to start a war
 
In the thread this WAS in someone posted stuff about what the cartels have done.

I want them to start a war
Stop bootlicking war pig. Seriously, the amount of death and violence that would cause would be horrific, and we don't have the Atlantic moat to keep them from doing car bombings in the US.
 
Stop bootlicking war pig. Seriously, the amount of death and violence that would cause would be horrific, and we don't have the Atlantic moat to keep them from doing car bombings in the US.
We have a large population that are basically endepted to the cartels.
Freeing them of that presese and supporting the Mexican government on craking down is exactly what we can do. Very well in fact
 
Looking it up, I found one murder of a BP by cartel in 2017, and nothing since. That sucks and all, but it's not them targeting BP to any extent. Again, my original point of "Cartels almost always leave American's alone in America" stands.
You really want to pretend that the cartels are no threat, don't you?

I know TX NG people who have been shot at across the Rio Grande by cartels sharpshooters, and you completely ignore that the cartels are getting more tech, and have become more aggressive again since Biden entered office (wonder why).
 
We have a large population that are basically endepted to the cartels.
Freeing them of that presese and supporting the Mexican government on craking down is exactly what we can do. Very well in fact
Mexico does. The US does not. The idea that a war will solve anything, and not make everything worse, is just dumb.

You really want to pretend that the cartels are no threat, don't you?

I know TX NG people who have been shot at across the Rio Grande by cartels sharpshooters, and you completely ignore that the cartels are getting more tech, and have become more aggressive again since Biden entered office (wonder why).
And none of them have been hit? Seriously, stop pretending South Texas is anything like stepping over the border. Because if it actually gets there, the US will invade.
 
And none of them have been hit? Seriously, stop pretending South Texas is anything like stepping over the border. Because if it actually gets there, the US will invade.
No, I've heard a few stories of NG guys getting hit, and the ROE saying the NG units cannot fire back, because it would cause an international incident.

You think the liberal media is going to give a damn about TX NG units getting shot at trying to secure the border, when they paint border security as racist in and of itself?
 
Mexico does. The US does not. The idea that a war will solve anything, and not make everything worse, is just dumb.


And none of them have been hit? Seriously, stop pretending South Texas is anything like stepping over the border. Because if it actually gets there, the US will invade.
We are not allowed to actively protect the border woth federal trtroops, and NG can't do anything if shot at but take cover and hope they arnt hit.
Because the cartels know they are unable to get shot at.

Also, yes we do. How many illegal immigrants are helping the Cartels get thing sin due to getting help crossing the border?
 
No, I've heard a few stories of NG guys getting hit, and the ROE saying the NG units cannot fire back, because it would cause an international incident.

You think the liberal media is going to give a damn about TX NG units getting shot at trying to secure the border, when they paint border security as racist in and of itself?
No, but you'll have a bunch of citations from conservative media I hope?

We are not allowed to actively protect the border woth federal trtroops, and NG can't do anything if shot at but take cover and hope they arnt hit.
Because the cartels know they are unable to get shot at.

Also, yes we do. How many illegal immigrants are helping the Cartels get thing sin due to getting help crossing the border?
Seriously, give me actual evidence of a bunch of NG being shot, and I'll start to care. But I've been given none. And thinking war will stop this is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard. War will cause gallons more blood to flow as the cartels export their violence to America, as they'd have nothing to lose.
 

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