Prophet (Crysis 3) vs. Terminator

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ROB grabs Prophet and a random T-800 and dumps them on Los Angeles Island (Escape from L.A.)

In the event that the T-800 is defeated a T-X will be sent in to finish the job.

Just prior to the event, Prophet binge-watched the original Terminator movies.


Crates full of Crysis 3 weapons are scatterbrained across the island and marked for Prophet to find.

He gets 24 hours of lead time to dig in prior to each Terminator going after him.

Who wins?
 
ROB grabs Prophet and a random T-800 and dumps them on Los Angeles Island (Escape from L.A.)

In the event that the T-800 is defeated a T-X will be sent in to finish the job.

Just prior to the event, Prophet binge-watched the original Terminator movies.


Crates full of Crysis 3 weapons are scatterbrained across the island and marked for Prophet to find.

He gets 24 hours of lead time to dig in prior to each Terminator going after him.

Who wins?


Prophet can easily handle any of the T-800 series to even the T 900s. I'm fairly confident he can handle a TX though, but not with the weapons he has on hand. He might have to get in close and reprogram her. Because he doesn't have the standard weapons to do it the regular way.
 
Prophet can easily handle any of the T-800 series to even the T 900s. I'm fairly confident he can handle a TX though, but not with the weapons he has on hand. He might have to get in close and reprogram her. Because he doesn't have the standard weapons to do it the regular way.
I'm not sure about the strength feats a nanosuit will give its user (I know they enhance and, disturbingly, fuse to the user over time, acting as a defacto skin), but terminators I do know.

It also depends on what variant of a T-800 is sent -- it's a popular theory, backed up with evidence in the films, that the time fuckery done by Skynet and the Resistance has created multiple incarnations of the T-800 that are more durable/stronger than others.

For example, the original T-800 was weakened by numerous explosions and a fire, as well as it being blown in half by a homemade pipe bomb; conversely, the prototype seen in Terminator: Salvation not only came online a decade and two years earlier than anticipated, it also took multiple grenades to the face without being impeded. It was also covered in molten metal, which cooled, and subsequently broke free from the glob using pure mechanical strength. Until Marcus decapitated it, it was still at full fighting strength.

It was also still fully operational. The damn thing kept on coming!

The T-850, its immediate upgrade, was capable of holding a hydraulic blast door while only half-powered and with one arm.

As for a T-X, not only does it have multiple iterations of onboard weaponry types, from plasma weaponry to flamethrowers to projectile weapons, its physical strength is said to be magnitudes more than a T-850 (to the point where it can throw it around like a ragdoll with zero effort, tear a human's head from its neck with just a pinky and thumb, et cetera).

However, it was bisected and damaged when a helicopter crashed and skidded onto it.

So, keep these all in mind when trying to draw a comparison.
 
Prophet also gets 24 hours of preptime. It's his battle to lose since he has access to all of the Crysis 3 weapons. I never played Crysis 3 but I would assume that without having to look it up, that anti-armor weapons are part of the in game arsenal like it was for the previous two games.

With all that said the T-X still seems like a rather intractable problem since as mentioned before it took a helicopter landing on her to bisect her, and a fusion explode going off like a mini-nuke next to her to really kill her. Prior to that she wasn't really inconvenienced by much of anything. Barrages of bullets maybe put her down briefly and the direct hit with an RPG sent her flying but she didn't seem particularly damaged by it in the long term.

Keeping in mind, in Terminator 2 there's a fairly credible theory that the accumulation of damage the T-1000 received seemed to eventually be wearing it down to the point its reforming/regeneration seemed slower then earlier. Didn't really get that impression at all with the T-X.
 
Keeping in mind, in Terminator 2 there's a fairly credible theory that the accumulation of damage the T-1000 received seemed to eventually be wearing it down to the point its reforming/regeneration seemed slower then earlier. Didn't really get that impression at all with the T-X.
The liquid metal was basically just a wrapper to give it infiltration abilities I think.
 
The liquid metal was basically just a wrapper to give it infiltration abilities I think.
IIRC it also added an extra layer of armour, but its primary role was to allow it to infiltrate, yeah.
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Keeping in mind, in Terminator 2 there's a fairly credible theory that the accumulation of damage the T-1000 received seemed to eventually be wearing it down to the point its reforming/regeneration seemed slower then earlier. Didn't really get that impression at all with the T-X.
Yeah, it's possible -- the 1000 was a prototype for a reason, after all. Skynet was hesitant in sending it because they were also far more self-aware than other terminators: it had an ego (in the psychological sense).

Would Umbrella deploy Tyrants if they knew they'd become fully self-aware? Though, funnily enough, one of the side-games had a Tyrant become self-aware, kill the researcher that held its "leash" (a detonator that would trigger a bomb in its brain) when the best opportunity presented itself (as it was "programmed" to protect the scientist and his comrades while they tried to flee Racoon City), and then try to murder the fuck out of them all.

Same principle.

What really did permanent damage, however, was when it was frozen, thawed, and re-formed: in the extended (and canon, apparently) scenes, we see that it's glitching and merging with the environment.

You know that scene at the end where it, in the form of Sarah, is begging John to come closer? It's because it's lower feet were merging with the metal grating. That's why you see John briefly look down (which was left in the theatrical cut).

The successor models to the T-1000, such as the (so creatively named) T-1001 and models seen in expanded media, didn't have such flaws, though maybe the predisposition of pure liquid metal terminators to developing flaws and sapience is what caused Skynet to just use the material to sheath more traditional endoskeletons (as in the T-X).

The T-X endoskeleton was actually an evolution of the T-900/T-950 design in some timelines, IIRC: it looked a bit like the T-X without the liquid metal.
 
Wasn't Skynet also worried about the T-1000 becoming fully self aware and rejecting its mission? There was no such fear with the T-X.
 
Wasn't Skynet also worried about the T-1000 becoming fully self aware and rejecting its mission? There was no such fear with the T-X.
Yeah -- the 1000 was more self-aware and had an ego.

There was the very real risk it'd go rogue and do whatever it wanted; however, the mental flexibility is what Skynet was desperate enough to rely on for its mission (longshot time-travel at the time of that movie). Though, T-800's also develop sapience once their chips are set to "write" from "read only", such as with Uncle Bob.

However, Uncle Bob may be a special case, as if we go by Resistance's canon (designed to be a prequel to the original Terminators 1 and 2), Uncle Bob was a T-850 CPU (more complex) put into a T-800 chassis, so being an 850 would explain its read/write capability, which may not be part of a T-800 CPU.

Double however, it looks as though T-800's can also do this anyway over time by itself ("neural net learning processor") or by manual switch, which is a... massive flaw for what's supposed to be a mass manufactured battlefield machine.

IIRC, in extended media there were cases where T-800's that survived on the field long enough became smarter and more adept, salvaging parts, adding modifications to their chassis, and even going rogue.

We don't know if Pops were set to read/write before it was sent back to protect Sarah, or if he developed sapience over time, but there's no doubt he was fully self-aware, had emotions, et cetera, over the decades. "Take care of my Sarah."

Carl was most likely not put to read/write by Skynet, though he and the other infiltrators (mentioned in the film, destroyed by Sarah via coordinates sent to her by Carl) sent back may have been set to it as a "fuck it, why not?" option by Skynet because of how badly things had gone: "It couldn't make things worse, right?" and all that jazz.

He developed sapience after, well, thinking over years. Then again, Dark Fate was a dumpster fire that makes Aliens 3 and Resurrection combined look like marvels of cinema, so... shrug?

The T-X was highly capable and intelligent, and it did display emotions (fear, surprise, annoyance, anger, et cetera), which is what the T-1000 displayed, too. That implies sapience, not just sentience.
 
No, this would be the OG future War with T-800s and psychotically obsessed TX trying to kill the SI.

Word of advice? Look at the Terminator wiki and playthroughs of the old/new video games on YouTube -- composite ideas you like from them. You never know what hidden gems you might like to use, such as models, weapons, plots, character motivations, et cetera.

For example, Dark Fate's (it's shit, I know) upcoming RTT game has the human "Resistance" have MLRS vehicles. Now, obviously in the actual Future War there'd be no way in hell the Resistance would have access to mobile vehicles like that, but their salvaging the missile batteries of such vehicles and (rarely) using them as fire support artillery could work -- even if it's likely Skynet would track them down soon after firing and blow them to pieces with HKs.

Heck, it could even be a running joke/grim fear among Resistance members that they'd be put on such duties, where it's basically "fire and run away".

You could also look at modern technicals, such as those being employed in Syria, the Middle-East, and Ukraine, and adapt them as Resistance vehicles for more variety than the "just plasma gun" and "stinger" technicals seen in the films.

There could be little nods and easter eggs, too: like the SI encountering a dismantled A10 in a base, and a Resistance member saying something like, "we used to use those early on in the War, before Skynet achieved complete air superiority with its HK drones. Mostly we just take turns sleeping in the cockpit, now".

Stuff like that.
 
ROB grabs Prophet and a random T-800 and dumps them on Los Angeles Island (Escape from L.A.)

In the event that the T-800 is defeated a T-X will be sent in to finish the job.

Just prior to the event, Prophet binge-watched the original Terminator movies.


Crates full of Crysis 3 weapons are scatterbrained across the island and marked for Prophet to find.

He gets 24 hours of lead time to dig in prior to each Terminator going after him.

Who wins?
Prophet completely stomps the T-800 even if he's given ten seconds of prep time and is unarmed.

T-800's best weapons might not even cause much damage to the Nanosuit, which can handle the Ceph weapons decently enough.

Outside of later depictions where terminators get...A little silly, the T-800 is a bulletproof aimbotting man with superhuman strength.

That's not enough to handle a speedblitzing carbon-nanotube armored corpse which can break the T-800 in two with strength alone, AND can turn invisible.
 
Prophet completely stomps the T-800 even if he's given ten seconds of prep time and is unarmed.

T-800's best weapons might not even cause much damage to the Nanosuit, which can handle the Ceph weapons decently enough.

Outside of later depictions where terminators get...A little silly, the T-800 is a bulletproof aimbotting man with superhuman strength.

That's not enough to handle a speedblitzing carbon-nanotube armored corpse which can break the T-800 in two with strength alone, AND can turn invisible.
One problem with this is that the nanosuit was vulnerable to modern-day firearms.
 
One problem with this is that the nanosuit was vulnerable to modern-day firearms.

No its not. That's just gameplay mechanics, but the Nanosuit in lore was completely impervious to Modern day ballistics and the ballistics of near future Crysis. Even HMGs barely slowed them down. Hell, even Psycho took a 30mm autocanon round to the chest with his suit in a depowered state. He suffered from some blunt force trauma from the hit, but the suit was not penetrated. In Maximum armor mode? Forget it, nothing is breaking through that Nanoweave. Sadly they only have limited power for that.
 
No its not. That's just gameplay mechanics, but the Nanosuit in lore was completely impervious to Modern day ballistics and the ballistics of near future Crysis. Even HMGs barely slowed them down. Hell, even Psycho took a 30mm autocanon round to the chest with his suit in a depowered state. He suffered from some blunt force trauma from the hit, but the suit was not penetrated. In Maximum armor mode? Forget it, nothing is breaking through that Nanoweave. Sadly they only have limited power for that.
MJ dis U. :ROFLMAO: :sneaky:;)

Lore is a good thing, and occasional disparities between it and the gameplay are all well and good, but tbh I can't buy the fact that it is completely impervious to modern-day firearms, especially considering how many times I died from some random Korean conscript's AK knockoff.
 
MJ dis U. :ROFLMAO: :sneaky:;)

Lore is a good thing, and occasional disparities between it and the gameplay are all well and good, but tbh I can't buy the fact that it is completely impervious to modern-day firearms, especially considering how many times I died from some random Korean conscript's AK knockoff.


No, seriously dude. This is nothing to do with MJ12. I used to think that guy was full of shit, but when I read the books it turned out he wasn't. The Nanosuit is just utterly ridiculous in what it can do. Gameplay mechanics is the weakest you'll ever see the suit and even then you can do some serious shit in the game.
 
Yeah lore Nanosuits and Cutscene Nanosuit compared to Gameplay Nanosuit is basically a whole different power scale.


Makes sense, realistically if they were as powerful in the game as lore then nothing but Ceph would be a threat.
 
No, seriously dude. This is nothing to do with MJ12. I used to think that guy was full of shit, but when I read the books it turned out he wasn't. The Nanosuit is just utterly ridiculous in what it can do. Gameplay mechanics is the weakest you'll ever see the suit and even then you can do some serious shit in the game.
Hey, I am just teasing here.

Yeah lore Nanosuits and Cutscene Nanosuit compared to Gameplay Nanosuit is basically a whole different power scale.


Makes sense, realistically if they were as powerful in the game as lore then nothing but Ceph would be a threat.
Meh, the few bits of fluff totally contradict the game, basically.
 

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