That sounds either like they are doing some serious doublethink, or their idea of "better" is one antithetical to other people's well-being.
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That sounds either like they are doing some serious doublethink, or their idea of "better" is one antithetical to other people's well-being.
No, standard view of using the government to make people more moral and better dating back to at least Prohibition.
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Battle Angel Alita was made in Texas, Disney-wars was made in California.
CarlManvers2019
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Houston, Texas? Well, I think other Hollywoods will arise then, ruled by Champagne Socialists....I wonder if Zack Snyder really will go through with that Fountainhead movie
Statism, but not always leftism. Depends on where you put religion in your political axes.
Though, arguably, we are seeing left-wing political beliefs become a religious shibboleth to those who hold them, vote for them, but do not follow them in their private lives. Or unconscious moral licensing, where believing in and voting for the "right things" is more important than whether they work, or whether you are not a hypocrite.
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As I said before in other threads, a lack of belief in spiritual or supernatural beings or concepts like reincarnation due to karma, does NOT stop you from becoming a zealot for an ideaology or organization
Plenty of Champagne Socialists are like a sort of Priest Caste, you know they’re actually a bunch of hedonistic and immoral people who espouse humbleness and chastity, but it’s pretty obvious when they’re engaged in politics that they are some of the richest most luxuriously lived people around and with probably a whole lot of sex and alcohol amongst their activities
They can walk around in the most luxurious clothes and jewels and yet still be considered above greed
And there will be zealots defending them
Same when you know that the Champagne Socialists have large palaces or mansions or live far away from the poorer people
Human nature. Especially when you base your self-worth on what you believe, and not whether said beliefs or actions do measurable good. Doubly so when you base your evaluations of others based on whether they profess your beliefs. Triply so when you hit the "laws for thee, not for me" paternalistic stage, where you push rules for the flawed little people, but not those more enlightened like yourself.
Really doesn't matter what the belief system is.
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Perhaps this maybe why the Left and even the earlier religious people hated or made fun of Ayn Rand so much, her ideas were weird and at the same time rather contrary to what anybody’s used to
Equality 7-2521 you are EVIL and must submit to the orders of your society
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In moral, religious, traditional societies, the priestly caste almost always has more restrictions than the people. This being reversed is inherently and automatically concerning about any system of belief.
I think that's one of the differences between a sincere religion and a cult. In the former, the people in leadership positions are held to a higher standard than are the ordinary pew-warmers. A guy with a recurring drinking problem, for example, could still be an accepted and loved member of a church, just not in an elder or deacon.
When it flips around and ordinary Joe will be excommunicated if he's caught taking a sip of beer, while the senior pastor drinks himself sloshed over and over again but nobody is allowed to talk about it because touch not the LORD's annointed, then it's time for honest people to start leaving.
But trying to impose those strictures on society as a whole, whether they signed on to your religion or not? That's taking it to a whole new level. Jim Jones demanded suicide as the ultimate demonstration of loyalty only from the people who'd followed him to go live in a compound in the jungle.
The Priesthood of Woke, on the other hand?
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Read any of Jesus's diatribes against the Pharisees and you'll see just how true this is.
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Shouldnt surprise anyone anymore. Does no one remember that Hilary's mentor was a grand-fucking-wizard in the KKK? There is no bottom to this pit, people.
CarlManvers2019
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How many people even know? Hell, how many remember she was a Republican or had opinions against gay marriage?
I agree with the discussion above, we do not just have this sort of hypocrisy is seen above, we have the authorities of this religion outright selling indulgences. And in light of such things, does not it seem we need our own Luthor or Hus to combat this?
If we're going to use the Christian Church history as a template for this discussion, you have to realize something. Most folks here are, AT BEST, members of the Orthodox or Nestorian/Coptic branches of "Christianity" in this example. We cannot generate a Reformation movement within the Catholics because we're already considered, again at best, schismatic to heretical (and some of us are outright "pagans"). Reformation like that has to come from within, by a true believer already within the "Church" who becomes so disguised by the hypocrisy and lack of actual application of the core principles espoused by elites, and generally speaking, what comes out is not a LESS fanatical organization, but one that is actually MORE fantatical and more dedicated to pursuing the core ideological and philosophical goals of the "Church".
As such... Reformation of the Woke would NOT necessarily be a good thing...
Well, I am a Roman Catholic, so...
If you look carefully at the Church you'll find that the leftists who currently occupy the highest ranks (and who were pretty much solely responsible for the rash of scandals that have plagued the church) are dying out, mostly because in those dioceses and regions that are most 'progressive' and 'liberal' vocations have pretty much evaporated, while in dioceses which are far more theologically conservative you have an explosion of vocations. Here in the Diocese of Phoenix we are seeing explosive growth in vocations specifically towards the Priestly Fraternity of Sts Peter and Paul, IE, those who promote the Latin Mass in the Extraordinary Form over the current Ordinary Mass. Traditionalist priests now outnumber the liberals here by a substantial margin.
And in the process we have the world's largest Society of St Vincent De Paul, we are the fastest growing diocese in the country, both through RCIA and organic growth. For our annual Rosary for the Unborn the diocese has to rent out the entire main city convention center to accommodate the crowds, and had to do the same (and distribute tickets on top of that) for the 50th Anniversary Mass.
The current crop of hard lefty prelates who occupy the upper ranks and command the headlines all entered the church in the 50's and 60's, most of them if you look at their histories spent time just prior to entering the seminary in Switzerland, where the KGB had an active recruitment program to recruit young gay men to infiltrate Holy Orders, and they mostly entered a small number of seminaries that were run by the same Order which had been previously infiltrated in the 30's. And they came *so close* to achieving their end of fully corrupting the Church, however Pope Saint John Paul II held on long enough, and Benedict resisted the insane amount of pressure the lefties put on him long enough, that none of their preferred candidates were Papabile when Benedict was finally forced to resign, and Francis is too afraid of the traditionalist firebrands to dare speak ex cathedra on anything.
Give it another 5 years or so and the hard lefties will start dropping like flies from old age, and you'll see the Church coming around hard to the right, the upcoming generation of leaders have absolutely no truck with the moral midgets who currently infest the upper ranks.
It should be noted that Pope Saint Pius X reportedly had a vision in which God would grant Satan a century to attempt to destroy the Church, and in response Pius instituted the St Michael the Archangel prayer, instructing priests to recite it following every mass. It is notable that the leftist clerics refuse to do so... and the century is up.
If you look carefully at the Church you'll find that the leftists who currently occupy the highest ranks (and who were pretty much solely responsible for the rash of scandals that have plagued the church) are dying out, mostly because in those dioceses and regions that are most 'progressive' and 'liberal' vocations have pretty much evaporated, while in dioceses which are far more theologically conservative you have an explosion of vocations. Here in the Diocese of Phoenix we are seeing explosive growth in vocations specifically towards the Priestly Fraternity of Sts Peter and Paul, IE, those who promote the Latin Mass in the Extraordinary Form over the current Ordinary Mass. Traditionalist priests now outnumber the liberals here by a substantial margin.
And in the process we have the world's largest Society of St Vincent De Paul, we are the fastest growing diocese in the country, both through RCIA and organic growth. For our annual Rosary for the Unborn the diocese has to rent out the entire main city convention center to accommodate the crowds, and had to do the same (and distribute tickets on top of that) for the 50th Anniversary Mass.
The current crop of hard lefty prelates who occupy the upper ranks and command the headlines all entered the church in the 50's and 60's, most of them if you look at their histories spent time just prior to entering the seminary in Switzerland, where the KGB had an active recruitment program to recruit young gay men to infiltrate Holy Orders, and they mostly entered a small number of seminaries that were run by the same Order which had been previously infiltrated in the 30's. And they came *so close* to achieving their end of fully corrupting the Church, however Pope Saint John Paul II held on long enough, and Benedict resisted the insane amount of pressure the lefties put on him long enough, that none of their preferred candidates were Papabile when Benedict was finally forced to resign, and Francis is too afraid of the traditionalist firebrands to dare speak ex cathedra on anything.
Give it another 5 years or so and the hard lefties will start dropping like flies from old age, and you'll see the Church coming around hard to the right, the upcoming generation of leaders have absolutely no truck with the moral midgets who currently infest the upper ranks.
It should be noted that Pope Saint Pius X reportedly had a vision in which God would grant Satan a century to attempt to destroy the Church, and in response Pius instituted the St Michael the Archangel prayer, instructing priests to recite it following every mass. It is notable that the leftist clerics refuse to do so... and the century is up.
Tbf it also came with the 30 years war between Catholics and Protestants which meant that the Christian Church spent all it's time fighting and killing itself rather then doing anything of value. Which aside from the killing itself part isn't something I think people would mind the current woke left doing to itself. It means the rest of us get to go on with our lives in peace.
Have they ever given an official reason why not?
Do you expect them to answer that one honestly?