Even if they do, the likely outcome is that some clear winner emerges soon enough. Unlike in China, the commies have been crushed and there's no Japanese invasion. So you'd expect a Generalissimo to emerge before too long. A few extra years of civil war, before the house is put in order, is still much better than a few decades of Soviet rule.Will say, this does have a question of if White Russia dosent immediately collapse into warlordism as the Seperate Generals stab eachother in the back in a attempt at the Throne.
Even if they do, the likely outcome is that some clear winner emerges soon enough. Unlike in China, the commies have been crushed and there's no Japanese invasion. So you'd expect a Generalissimo to emerge before too long. A few extra years of civil war, before the house is put in order, is still much better than a few decades of Soviet rule.
However, the idea of an intact Jewish population within the Russian Empire staying might be difficult, given the pogroms that have occurred.
Generally speaking, I'd argue that a "no World War I" scenario with a surviving Russian Empire is better for Russia's prospect than any scenario that does have World War I occurring (except, perhaps, if it's a very short war). As others have noted, Tsarist Russia was carrying out reforms and modernisations.Not quite a "Whites victory" scenario, but I don't suppose people would be interested in this post, where the scenario is that Tsarist Russia industrializes and surpasses OTL America as an economic superpower?
If so, I suspect long-term results would yield similar outcomes here, at least assuming the best possible luck and leadership for the Whites.
Generally speaking, I'd argue that a "no World War I" scenario with a surviving Russian Empire is better for Russia's prospect than any scenario that does have World War I occurring (except, perhaps, if it's a very short war). As others have noted, Tsarist Russia was carrying out reforms and modernisations.
Any scenario wth a POD after World War I means Russia has already taken a shot in the gut. It can be treated, it can be survived, but it's an ordeal by its very nature. In OTL... the wound was allowed to fester, and in fact treated with quack medicine, akin to insanely irresponsible drugs. ("The wounded athlete, all jacked-up with performance drugs, keeps going even as his body gives out... until he just drops dead.")
Stołypin reforms would made it real.That is why Wall Street send Trocky and his thugs to change that.To get rid of competitors.Not quite a "Whites victory" scenario, but I don't suppose people would be interested in this post, where the scenario is that Tsarist Russia industrializes and surpasses OTL America as an economic superpower?
If so, I suspect long-term results would yield similar outcomes here, at least assuming the best possible luck and leadership for the Whites. However, I doubt Russia would be able to match the US if they developed along the path of Nazi Germany instead, though as @Skallagrim says, just about anyone would be better at economy-building than Uncle Joe was.
Stolypin would have been credited with the title of Father of Genuine Industrialization instead of the Butcher of Katyn.Stołypin reforms would made it real.That is why Wall Street send Trocky and his thugs to change that.To get rid of competitors.
Stolypin would have been credited with the title of Father of Genuine Industrialization instead of the Butcher of Katyn.
That is what I meant: STOLYPIN would have been the Father of Genuine Industrialization instead of STALIN.I thought that Stalin was the Butcher of Katyn?
That is what I meant: STOLYPIN would have been the Father of Genuine Industrialization instead of STALIN.
Exaclt what it says! Would Russia had been more or less industrialized by the kick off of WW2 had the whites won?
What Whites? Which faction of them? The Tsarists? The Republicans? The Nationalist Separatists? Kerenskyite social-democrats? Define which faction first and then we can answer the question otherwise it is so overly broad as to be meaningless.
Since you brought it up, it's fairly obvious you should answer for each faction you mentioned.
Please be detailed.
It's less a matter of "Is White Russia in debt?" and more a matter of "What is White Russia's credit rating?" As long as the creditors are getting paid on time and Western bankers think they'll continue to do so the rating isn't "junk" and they'll have access to affordable Western capital no matter who is running White Russia.Barring that though, was Russia in any form of financial debt by the time WWI broke out? Because until it finds a way to pay back its debts to its creditors, I don't think there would be incentives to industrialize until the debts are paid.
Stolypin was politically dead before he was assassinated, pretty much every faction in Russian politics was against his reforms and was seeking to undermine him.A surviving Stolypin would have ensured that Tsarist Russia would have been able to develop its economy at a steady pace
You're over-stating it. His 1910 legislative proposal (which would have been the culmination of his efforts) was very narrowly defeated due to a lot of intrigue. In the two years after that, Stolypin's earlier reforms were utterly vindicated, and literally every sector of the economy affected by his reforms increased in productivity (in some cases by considerable margins). By then, of course, Stolypin had been murdered.Stolypin was politically dead before he was assassinated, pretty much every faction in Russian politics was against his reforms and was seeking to undermine him.