And a Chinese colonization of India is unrealistic?
What if Alien Space Bats replace Europe in 1878 with virgin earth?
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And a Chinese colonization of India is unrealistic?
Chiron
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They will swallow Tibet first, but they also will be fighting Japan and internal revolts as well. They already lost Taiwan to Japan and just cleaned up the Dungan Revolt and they have a full blown famine.
So it will be some time before they think of India.
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You mean "lost Taiwan to Japan", no?
But Yeah, otherwise, good analysis.
I wonder if Muslims or Hindus will come out on top in the new India. Or maybe Sikhs as a really radical wildcard here, though their numbers are very small. But they do have a reputation as a martial race!
Chiron
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Yeah, will edit it.
India is a toss up. What is needed is one faction to win a few decisive battles to secure the peace.
Actually the PoD is 1878 and Japan didn't get control of Taiwan until their victory over China in 1894-95. The Chinese were actually very reluctant to give it up as compared to other territories as they pointed out there had been no conflict there. See Treaty_of_Shimonoseki.
Buba
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IMO no "India" - British India will break up sooner or later.
Meh - it is possible that some of the "stranded" Brits go warlord, speeding up the breakup.
BTW - with Europe, specifically France (the birthplace of most military innovations) gone, how many decades is the invention of smokeless powder delayed?
I wouldn't be so sure. Rome is gone in an obviously supernatural event which means either the Devil is stronger than God or Rome and the Papacy were not that important to God. I think most either conclude that the Protestants were right, that the Orthodox were right, or abandon Christianity entirely if they're somewhere where Islam is or becomes politically ascendant. I doubt there are enough who want to cling to Catholicism in the face of that to maintain an international church.
Unless it's just seen as the Rapture, and now we have to be MORE like the Catholics in Rome.
Buba
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Speaking of Christianity - a Major Orthodox Patriarchate - arguably the most important - Constantinople, was wiped out.
This leaves three - Antioc, Alexandria and Jerusalem - neither of which carries much weight.
Plus a very important Minor Patriarchate - Moscow.
I assume that the surviving Muscovite hierarchy resurrects the Russian Church.
BTW - the ancient autocephalic Archbishopric of Cyprus is still around
This leaves three - Antioc, Alexandria and Jerusalem - neither of which carries much weight.
Plus a very important Minor Patriarchate - Moscow.
I assume that the surviving Muscovite hierarchy resurrects the Russian Church.
BTW - the ancient autocephalic Archbishopric of Cyprus is still around
You mean similar to the White Rajahs of Sarawak in regards to the final outcome?
Well, the West can still rely on the US for military innovations!
Chiron
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Literally 10 seconds of google is your friend.
The Japanese had de-facto control of Taiwan despite ostensibly withdrawing. All it would take is Japan tearing up the British arbitration and send an official governor with troops to take de-jure control.
Then again this will likely draw Japan and China into a mutually ruinous war against each other.
In fact all of this may be Thailand's chance to shine and fill the resulting vacuum. They avoided being anyone's bitch and have a decent military and well positioned via strategic marriages to incorporate Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam into a new powerhouse if they play their cards right.
Americas: Well there won't be a peaceful unification of the North American States. No matter, Canada gets crushed and Alaska taken as well. Mexico takes longer, and the US juggernaut calls it good at Panama.
Australia and New Zealand see who has the strongest claim to the Royal Crown and crowns him/her as the new Monarch and carry on as a Union till they figure something else out.
Back to the MENA region:
Looking over Egypt and its internal makeup, highly likely they internally collapse without Britain to prop them up.
So most likely course, Qajars as soon as its clear the bulk of the Ottoman Empire military, which was on the European side, is gone, will quickly secure the defection of the Baghdad and Basra provinces, and for the Kurdish Regions:
Kurds: We have our own state now Persians. Go away.
Qajars: You get smashed every time you make yourselves out to be big and bad. Submit and we'll let you loot Armenian lands to your hearts content and carry off their women and children as slaves.
Kurds: Ok deal.
Tough shit for the Armenians, but they will take a few Kurds down with them.
The main thrust of the Qajars though is securing the Transcaucasia region and getting a rail line through to where Batumi would be. This is their fallback if Syria resists absorption and they have to spend time fighting for it.
The other front is down the east coast of the Arabian Pennisula to secure the entire Persian Gulf in preparation to the seizure of its entirety. The last front is the stans, but this is a lower priority compared to seizing the far more economically viable carcass of the Ottoman Empire and using it to seize Europa and finance its development.
Hmmm...Russian Papacy in Moscow?
Chiron
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Yep and Shiism likely wins out as the dominant branch.
Any attempt to invade Afghanistan and link up with the Hazaras there?
Buba
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It was there between c.1460 and 1878.
Now wolves prowl where it had been ...
Chiron
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Low priority. Europa is the real prize because all its mineral wealth reset and its forests as well.
So, Islam gets its first realistic chance to spread into Western Europe in over 1,000 years?
Chiron
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Yep and in a few centuries if it can get a strong central government under a single rule, it will by default become a hyperpower as America exhausts itself.
That's hugely problematic for a VERY tribal region.