Breaking News Lincoln Project Cofounder a sexually harassing gay pedophile

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21 Men Accuse Lincoln Project Co-Founder of Online Harassment (Published 2021)

John Weaver, a longtime G.O.P. operative who advised John McCain and John Kasich, made sexual overtures to young men, sometimes offering to help them get work in politics.
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The biggest and most credible sticking point of Never Trump has been Trumps personal character. The biggest and most visible Never Trump organization was The Lincoln Project. Extremely fitting then that one of its cofounders would be accused of sexually harassing 21 men, including one that started when he was 14. Since the accusation it’s members have denounced and removed John Weaver, who was married with children as he searched the Internet for young men and boys to satisfy his lust, however.

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Lincoln Project condemns co-founder accused of making overtures to young men

John Weaver ‘led a secret life that was built on a foundation of deception at every level. He is a predator, a liar, and an abuser’
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The journalist who broke the story alleges that the Lincoln Project leadership knew and did little to nothing about it, even going so far as to warn Weaver.
 
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Ryan Girdusky over at American Conservative broke this story, and I'd prefer to give AmCon my click over the Times.

I think he gave the Kevin Spacey excuse, as well. IMO this is probably part of a problem throughout Establishment and Movement Conservative organizations. To be frank, we need to be more willing to partition organizations by gender, and more willing to filter homosexuals out of positions of authority within our organizations.
 
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LindyAF said:
I think he gave the Kevin Spacey excuse, as well. IMO this is probably part of a problem throughout Establishment and Movement Conservative organizations. To be frank, we need to be more willing to partition organizations by gender, and more willing to filter homosexuals out of positions of authority within our organizations.
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The problem isn't that people are gay. Gay people are no more likely to be predators than straight ones. But I would put forward that closeted ones in a position that demands straightness are (think priests, married men, ministers, etc), because viewing gayness as wrong means they don't differentiate between predatory gay sex and consensual sex, both are sinful in their eyes. So by their view, what they are doing isn't that much worse.

EDIT: At first glance, I thought it was that he was a pedo, that was obviously wrong.
 
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Abhorsen said:
The problem isn't that people are gay. Gay people are no more likely to be pedophiles than straight ones. Oddly, many male pedophiles of boys are straight in their interactions with adults, which shows that pedophilia isn't an orientation, it's a fetish.
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The problem isn't if they're gay or straight. It is that they're using the 'I'm Gay' card as a shield against criticism. That in and of itself shows that being LGBT is a form of privilege as many on the left sees it. And it worked...until Kevin Spacy. Its not liable to work here either. Especially since these are guys with a big (R) before their name.
 
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The problem isn't if they're gay or straight. It is that they're using the 'I'm Gay' card as a shield against criticism. That in and of itself shows that being LGBT is a form of privilege as many on the left sees it. And it worked...until Kevin Spacy. Its not liable to work here either. Especially since these are guys with a big (R) before their name.
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Totally agree with this. Being gay should be no shield, and it is used as one, as this guy tried to do. That doesn't mean the proper response is to stop gay people from joining conservative organizations. LGBT people are actually trending more conservative, now that marriage is done with. Trump won the biggest share of the LGBT vote since Bush in 2000 (which he promptly lost by supporting the Federal Marriage Amendment). There's no need to scare them off.
 
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Abhorsen said:
The problem isn't that people are gay. Gay people are no more likely to be predators than straight ones. But I would put forward that closeted ones in a position that demands straightness are (think priests, married men, ministers, etc), because viewing gayness as wrong means they don't differentiate between predatory gay sex and consensual sex, both are sinful in their eyes. So by their view, what they are doing isn't that much worse.

EDIT: At first glance, I thought it was that he was a pedo, that was obviously wrong.
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He did pretty damn close to what the guys who get picked up on To Catch a Predator did. He talked to a 14 year old sexually for 4 years and then got more explicit as soon as he hit 18, textbook child grooming.

Also “Gays aren’t more likely to be pedophiles” is only because they separated attraction to men and attraction to boys, and say that there’s no such thing as a “gay pedophile.” The reality is that of those men who molest children, about 1 third of them prefer males, which is substantially higher than the proportion of gays to the population. It’s literally just a game of terms, that’s it. Changing definitions so that way you get the results you’d prefer.
 
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Gay people are no more likely to be predators than straight ones.
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I don't know that's true, and I don't really see how in the current environment political we could reliably know if it was true. Both the fact that only slightly more girls are abused than boys are- despite sexual predators being overwhelmingly male and that being abused as a child is correlated with both homosexuality and with being an abuser, might indicate that there is a difference in likelihood, although it doesn't prove there is one either.

I'm not saying that gay people should be stopped from joining conservative organizations, but I do think it is reasonable to bar them from positions of authority, particularly positions of authority over children.

While it's tempting to treat this as just a Never Trump thing, I would not be terribly surprised if there were similar revelations in the future regarding members of people in TPUSA or similar.
 
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And yet, at large to the completely normal voter.
It alienates a lot of people, especially the growing generation.
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TBH this is getting off topic. I'd be open to continuing to discuss this in a homosexual marriage or homosexual rights or whatever your exact stance here is discussion thread, but I don't think this is the place for it. IMO discussing whether or not homosexuals should have positions of authority over children in conservative organizations is reasonable in a thread about the a predatory homosexual in a position of authority over children, but moving the discussion to the broader topic is a derail, and not much being said right now is at all related to Weaver or the Lincoln project.

I will note though, that like ten to twelve years ago, the exact same argument would apply in the opposite direction. It wasn't right then, either. The latest culture is not some omnipotent force that we have to bow too- it's something shaped by the coordinated effort of activists. That starts within our own organizations and associations.
 
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There's been more coverage of this story. AP news has reported that the lincoln project was aware of at least ten specific allegations against John Weaver as of June 2020, which shows that their statements denying knowledge of his behavior was a lie. Ryan Girdusky, who broke the story in American Greatness, claimed this as well, but AP news reporting it has set off other reports, including an article in the NY times entitled "Former Lincoln Project Workers ask to be released from NDAs" (although I can't read this article as I don't have a NYT subscription)
 
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LindyAF said:
There's been more coverage of this story. AP news has reported that the lincoln project was aware of at least ten specific allegations against John Weaver as of June 2020, which shows that their statements denying knowledge of his behavior was a lie. Ryan Girdusky, who broke the story in American Greatness, claimed this as well, but AP news reporting it has set off other reports, including an article in the NY times entitled "Former Lincoln Project Workers ask to be released from NDAs" (although I can't read this article as I don't have a NYT subscription)
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I’d imagine that they didn’t do anything about it because Trump, because it would tarnish their credibility which, if you watch most of their ads and arguments and positions, it’s about how they have moral high ground over Trump. They decided that keeping up that pretense till post election was more important.
 
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Tim Conway beat his daughter, his wife beat him...Rick Wilson has been repeatedly accused of being a literal crackhead by everyone from Michelle Malkin to Jeb Bush. That one military guy that's part of their clique is a dude who literally led his men into slaughter so he could sell their deaths as a sob story for a book deal and the Cuban guy whose part of their group...heh.,..hehe...half of his family were outed as Spies for Castro living in Miami.

So...It doesn't surprise me that Weaver is an absolute degenerate. The Lincoln Project is replete with wastrels, druggies, literal traitors and war criminals.

Edit- Trump is arguably the luckiest man in politics, because everyone who condemns him is either cartoonishly evil or sexually depraved or a complete nutcase and it always ends up boosting him in the end.
 
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Tim Conway beat his daughter, his wife beat him...Rick Wilson has been repeatedly accused of being a literal crackhead by everyone from Michelle Malkin to Jeb Bush. That one military guy that's part of their clique is a dude who literally led his men into slaughter so he could sell their deaths as a sob story for a book deal and the Cuban guy whose part of their group...heh.,..hehe...half of his family were outed as Spies for Castro living in Miami.

So...It doesn't surprise me that Weaver is an absolute degenerate. The Lincoln Project is replete with wastrels, druggies, literal traitors and war criminals.

Edit- Trump is arguably the luckiest man in politics, because everyone who condemns him is either cartoonishly evil or sexually depraved or a complete nutcase and it always ends up boosting him in the end.
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the guilty dogs bark first.
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It's actually amusing how many of the LP dudes got into deep shit for domestic battery, in the sense that they tried to beat their spouses/daughters and instead got turned into a lifetime movie waif by said spouses/daughters when they threw hands back. Between that and the rampant drug problems, the impression I get is that these are the saddest, most pathetic people in the GOP and they're desperately trying to maintain power they never had to begin with.
 
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