American-Canadian War or Annexation Redux
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sander093
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As it stands now if Canada were to break apart you would most likely see three to five regions emerge.
You would have the Maritimes
Quebec (May also pick up some or all of the Maritimes)
Ontario
The prairies (May pick up Ontario, may also loose Manitoba to Ontario).
And BC
(Not really counting the three territories as while they are large territoriality, I think all three of them don't even have the population of PEI.)
Of those regions, The Prairies, Ontario and the Maritimes might join the US. Quebec will most likely go it's own way, they really don't like anyone who isn't them. BC, not sure which way they will go.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
What happens if Canada decides to annex the US?
ShieldWife
Marchioness
The USA wouldn’t invade Canada. Why would anybody even want that? The same corporations and organizations who are successfully conquering the USA now are also conquering Canada. Both nations are part of the same empire, both are client states.
so basically your plan is to have the british do all the actual fighting and take credit for it afterwards?
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
I find it vaguely amusing that many Americans consider the War of 1812 as a win, let alone anything other than an embarrassment. Britain, with its hand tied behind its back, pimp slapped them for a few years before it got bored. Then, on the way out, it had a little stumble and the US claimed victory.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Oh, the US won. It retained all territory and the invading forces left.
It's also fair to say it won by 'being more trouble than it was worth' rather than by exerting anything remotely resembling a military offensive.
...Which is a pretty big chunk of how we managed to win the Revolutionary War as well, to be fair.
I was thinking more along the lines of how the centers of both countries should ditch their respective leftists and join each other to form a new United States, tbh.
History Learner
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The U.S. is gained territory as a result of the conflict, the British/Canadians didn't though.
I view it as a nessary humilation, the country needed to accept that it did need a standing milatary and it did need to put its shit together. The lessons though painful were ones that were learned and let us kick mexico's ass during the mexican american war.
Airedale260
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To be fair, it was a strategic win in that 1) We held onto New Orleans and control of the Mississippi Basin, 2) It enabled us to expand westward after we whacked Tecumseh and then got the British to stop supporting the Native American tribes standing in our way; 3) It was a decent showing for the fledgling U.S. Navy all things considered; 4) It convinced the U.S. that a standing peacetime military was in fact necessary; 5) It broke our economic dependency on Britain, and 6) kickstarted Andrew Jackson’s political career.
So, short term it was a draw, but in the long term it was very much a win for the U.S.
Doomsought
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I don't think that is a win, he completely fucked up our interaction with the Indians. There was a good chance of the Five Civilized tribes getting annexed by treaty. The Cherokee would have loved to become the 14th state.
Airedale260
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That bit was actually slightly tongue-in-cheek, and I take your point. Honestly, we really did screw over them when we shouldn’t have...
Would make for an interesting historical what-if, will go put one up there because I’m curious.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Just another instance of how every time there's a major political party in America being blatantly and horrifically racist, it's the Democrats.
The Phule
The Phule on the Hill
That reminds me. This may be a stupid question but the Federalist, the Democrats and the Whigs are our first three major parties. Why are the Republicans called the Grand Old Party? Certainly the Democratic party is older. Are the Republicans perhaps grander?
Just curious.
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Airedale260
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“But they abandoned the South!” Yeah, but they still discriminate in other ways...
That said, it was a Democrat (James Polk) who got us the Mexican Cession, another key part of American expansion.
Well, there’s this thing called “the Internet” which you can search, but it stems from the phrase “gallant old party” (gallant in defense of the Union during the Civil War) which a paper later changed to “Grand Old Party” so the name stuck.
Airedale260
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In 1812? Nothing, because the British don’t want that headache and Canada doesn’t have any military forces of note.
After that? Jack and shit, because the British knew that while they had a good chance of repelling an American invasion, there was no fucking way they’d be able to actually conquer it. Not with all the other concerns around the world.
By the 1840s, the British are much more interested in India and the Far East, while the U.S. plan is to stretch from sea to shining sea and stay in North America.
By 1914 it was pretty clear that if America really wanted to conquer Canada, they could (it would require spinning up the military), and after World War I the two countries started cooperating more and more.
And in the wake of World War II? Well, the real reason Canada was added to NATO in 1949 was so that they wouldn’t have to choose between aligning with Britain or the United States.
Today, Canada is actually heavily integrated with U.S. defense plans: NORAD is a joint U.S.-Canadian operation (the deputy commander is a Canadian officer) and they slot in with us on a lot of different ventures, and not just in continental defense. Arguably they’re even more integrated with us than the British.
So, really, there’s no need to do so. Not least because they purchase a fair amount of equipment from us as well, but both countries would go “WTF?!” if that happened.
Doomsought
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Canada's primary military ally in a land defense is the weather.
However, the Weather only ever seems to pick sides with the defender, and won't help them with any aggressive actions.
However, the Weather only ever seems to pick sides with the defender, and won't help them with any aggressive actions.