What it says. What is all of your opinions on trade unions?
Having worked a union job, yes They only care about weird things like seniority.They are terrorist organizations, often as corrupt and murderous as the greedy, apathetic board of directors they allegedly oppose. Nothing good has been done for common people by Unions in almost a century.
This!This really depends on the country and climate. In the US, unions suck. In Europe, I hear they're a lot better, because unions there are more about working with the company to reach the best outcome, instead of the US system where it's more adversarial.
Having worked a union job, yes They only care about weird things like seniority.
For 30 minutes of extra pay, they reduced our lunch by 10 minutes, which had a knock on effect of making us loose our cafeteria service (which was excellent).
So my own answer regarding unions:
Private sector permitted, just ban public sector ones.
Employees banding together as a union is absolutely a good thing and should be part of any free market. Unions becoming institutionalised as closed shops, protecting seniors or the corrupt is not. It seems to me that the US has the worst of it, with the corruption etc. Teacher's unions is one thing but fucking cops? Jesus.
This. Some people here may not be aware of just how abusive the Robber Barons and other Businessman of the Late 19th and Early 20th Century were to their workers. I mean some straight up slavery shit. And multiple violations of the US Constitution going on in Company Towns and Factories. That is the reason we ended up with so many unions. And now in some right to work states you are seeing some Businesses try to screw over workers claiming the Right to Work mantra. When those same Businessman collude with their buddies to keep wages low. That is why we need to have an option in Right to work states for workers to form a union if their rights are being violated.I feel like their envitable part of capitalism.
When ever the price of labor goes below what the market can bear unions spring up, when management gets too abusive unions spring up. I neither hate nor love them and just see them as a part of the system.
Now when it comes to public sector unions that is a different story, private sector unions are held in check by the balance of power between management and the economy. There is inherently less of a balance when your job is from the government, all that did was take a group of people who already had secure lively hoods and make it almost impossible to get rid of the assholes.
There was an effort to do that, called right to work, but the Unions have propagandized that right to work means something else.This is one thing the USA could copy the EU on - closed shops are illegal there as a result of a court case which granted that they violated a right of freedom of negative association.
Employees banding together as a union is absolutely a good thing and should be part of any free market. Unions becoming institutionalised as closed shops, protecting seniors or the corrupt is not. It seems to me that the US has the worst of it, with the corruption etc. Teacher's unions is one thing but fucking cops? Jesus.
In my opinion, they are both corrupt as hell, but there is an argument to be made that since cops can kill and unions have a say over whether they get prosecuted, that makes them an order of magnitude worse in results given similar levels of corruption.If it's totally ok for teachers to have a union, why shouldn't the police (or if the cops shouldn't have a union, why do the arguements against them not apply to teachers?).
Oh hell no they don't. Police unions are perhaps the worse of them all. Although there have been a couple of politically motivated prosecutions, there have been far, far more politically motivated non-prosecutions.Yeah, if anything recent events have shown many reasons cops need something like a union, to protect members from politically driven prosecution.
Thus, you need things that can perform the role of Unions, but not necessarily unions.