raharris1973
Well-known member
WI the first renaissance European to discover Americas is Cabral, not Columbus?
Summary: No one from the Columbus expedition of 1492 makes it back to Spain. The Columbus brothers, Pinzons, and crewmembers are all lost at sea or marooned. Meanwhile, the Portuguese continue their explorations around the Cape. Vasco Da Gama makes a successful trip around the Cape to India and back in 1497-1498. Without the Columbus voyage producing any success or survivors, Venetian navigator and engineer, Giovanni Caboto (John Cabot) fails in any attempts he makes to sell his plans for a western voyage to Asia to England's King Henry VII or any other monarch in 1497-1499. The news of the successful Da Gama expedition reinforces Henry's idea that he was right to dismiss Cabot's plan.
In 1500, swinging west on the way to India, Pedro Alvares Cabral bumps into Brazil, and sends a ship back to Portugal's King with the news, before he resumes the journey to India.
The Portuguese report their discovery of a new continent in Europe, which is of scientific and navigational interest, but explore and exploit it at a leisurely pace, being primarily interested in the Cape Route and trade with Asia. However, Brazil is a handy spot Portugal claims to provision for freshwater on the way to India, and it has wood that can be used for an expensive dye that has more Portuguese venturing there over the next few years to harvest.
Subsequent voyages over the next decade uncover more of the coast. By 1510, the Portuguese have reached the southern tip of South America, and rounded either north or south of Tierra del Fuego, but there a few survivors from the rough waters so it will take some more years before anybody repeats the journey in that direction.
Also by 1507, some Portuguese have rounded the Brazilian hump and followed the coast west, coming the mouth of the Amazon, where they find some more densely populated, settled groups, and beyond to the Guyanas where they have some close calls with the Caribs. The new continent during this time is named America after subsequent explorer Amerigo Vespucci.
The pace of exploration quickens, and the amount of Portuguese interest increases after 1510, when the Portuguese make contact with the Muisca culture of Colombia which makes alot of use of gold adornment. After the word of that goes out Portuguese come to that part of South America in larger numbers, looking to trade, with some looking to conquer not far behind.
The discoveries by 1510, Amazon and gold in the north, another oceanic passage to the south, are also enough to inspire other participants to get into the game.
In that year Sebastian Cabot refurbishes his trans-Atlantic flight plan, and wins support of Castille for the journey. Young King Henry VIII of England, never one for exploration, and figuring everything out with his brother's widow, isn't interest at the time.
Cabot's journey goes north from the north coast of Spain and explores Newfoundland and New England.
So what do y'all think happens next?
When will Europeans meet the Aztecs, Maya, and Inca, and which Europeans? What will happen when they do meet? Death for the Euros, trade, conquest? If the Portuguese and Castilians are successful exploring out from Atlantic South America and Atlantic North America, how will they divide the hemisphere between them?
North America for Spain, South America for Portugal?
Or extending west the line of the 1479 Treaty of Alcacovas? (roughly the Tropic of Cancer)
Something else?
What other Europeans will crash the party and when?
In your view, did I have the Portuguese follow-up too fast or slow post Cabral in 1500? Did I have the other Euros wait too long?
Summary: No one from the Columbus expedition of 1492 makes it back to Spain. The Columbus brothers, Pinzons, and crewmembers are all lost at sea or marooned. Meanwhile, the Portuguese continue their explorations around the Cape. Vasco Da Gama makes a successful trip around the Cape to India and back in 1497-1498. Without the Columbus voyage producing any success or survivors, Venetian navigator and engineer, Giovanni Caboto (John Cabot) fails in any attempts he makes to sell his plans for a western voyage to Asia to England's King Henry VII or any other monarch in 1497-1499. The news of the successful Da Gama expedition reinforces Henry's idea that he was right to dismiss Cabot's plan.
In 1500, swinging west on the way to India, Pedro Alvares Cabral bumps into Brazil, and sends a ship back to Portugal's King with the news, before he resumes the journey to India.
The Portuguese report their discovery of a new continent in Europe, which is of scientific and navigational interest, but explore and exploit it at a leisurely pace, being primarily interested in the Cape Route and trade with Asia. However, Brazil is a handy spot Portugal claims to provision for freshwater on the way to India, and it has wood that can be used for an expensive dye that has more Portuguese venturing there over the next few years to harvest.
Subsequent voyages over the next decade uncover more of the coast. By 1510, the Portuguese have reached the southern tip of South America, and rounded either north or south of Tierra del Fuego, but there a few survivors from the rough waters so it will take some more years before anybody repeats the journey in that direction.
Also by 1507, some Portuguese have rounded the Brazilian hump and followed the coast west, coming the mouth of the Amazon, where they find some more densely populated, settled groups, and beyond to the Guyanas where they have some close calls with the Caribs. The new continent during this time is named America after subsequent explorer Amerigo Vespucci.
The pace of exploration quickens, and the amount of Portuguese interest increases after 1510, when the Portuguese make contact with the Muisca culture of Colombia which makes alot of use of gold adornment. After the word of that goes out Portuguese come to that part of South America in larger numbers, looking to trade, with some looking to conquer not far behind.
The discoveries by 1510, Amazon and gold in the north, another oceanic passage to the south, are also enough to inspire other participants to get into the game.
In that year Sebastian Cabot refurbishes his trans-Atlantic flight plan, and wins support of Castille for the journey. Young King Henry VIII of England, never one for exploration, and figuring everything out with his brother's widow, isn't interest at the time.
Cabot's journey goes north from the north coast of Spain and explores Newfoundland and New England.
So what do y'all think happens next?
When will Europeans meet the Aztecs, Maya, and Inca, and which Europeans? What will happen when they do meet? Death for the Euros, trade, conquest? If the Portuguese and Castilians are successful exploring out from Atlantic South America and Atlantic North America, how will they divide the hemisphere between them?
North America for Spain, South America for Portugal?
Or extending west the line of the 1479 Treaty of Alcacovas? (roughly the Tropic of Cancer)
Something else?
What other Europeans will crash the party and when?
In your view, did I have the Portuguese follow-up too fast or slow post Cabral in 1500? Did I have the other Euros wait too long?
