WI dying Nasser wakes up as Khedive Ismail 100 years earlier?

raharris1973

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What if Egyptian dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser, who died of a heart attack in September 1970, woke up as the Khedive Ismail of Egypt in September 1870, months after the lavishly celebrated opening of the Suez Canal, and a dozen years before OTL's British occcupation?

Nasser-in-Ismail has all of Ismail's memories and language skills, but it's Nasser's consciousness and Nasser in charge.

Nasser is thrown into a position to face a challenge it was his destiny to overcome, prevent the foreign domination of Egypt. How would Nasser try to steer Egypt out of the debt and colonization trap?

Fiscal austerity & court/elite simplicity?

Peacefulness on the frontier to cut costs?

Debt repudiation?

Debt diversification?

Trying to recall anything he might remember of 19th century macroeconomic trends to make better performing investments to fund military and pay off debts?

Declare war on France during the Franco-Prussian war as an excuse to repudiate the debts to the Suez canal company?

Try to manipulate Europeans indirectly into a self-destructive Europe-wide internecine war to by time for Egypt (and others) before they need to face the European push for "new colonialism" that happened in OTL's 1880s?

On "dropping in" to Khedive Ismail's mind, body and court in 1870, I see Nasser's priority goals for Egypt as: avoiding the British occupation of 1882, avoiding the system of European-Egyptian mixed courts that was set up during the decade beforehand. His challenge is that at his starting point of 1870, his state budget is already highly leveraged from public works in the capital, wars of expansion in Africa, and the Suez Canal project.
 
I think that he might try covertly sabotaging the Zionist project in Palestine next door in any way that he can. Expansion into Libya and/or Sudan might also be a possibility.
 
Cut a deal with the Ottoman Court and come to a reconciliation agreement. But given he was utterly incompetent at foreign affairs and failed to develop a professional military worth a shit, he will fail.
 
I think that he might try covertly sabotaging the Zionist project in Palestine next door in any way that he can. Expansion into Libya and/or Sudan might also be a possibility.

Sure, but there is so very little to do at this early stage. There's just old pilgrims and apolitical Torah students coming by the area.

and failed to develop a professional military worth a shit, he will fail.

Actually, after '67 he got serious about the military and spent 68-70 starting to get out of Yemen, get real about training, and integrate SAMs into tactics and training, to give Sadat the foundation for the force he used in '73. He's still got a bad record of neglect for the previous 13-14 years of course.

And I don't know how his thinking and skills would translate to the technology, and opportunities of the 3rd quarter of the 19th century.
 
Actually, after '67 he got serious about the military and spent 68-70 starting to get out of Yemen, get real about training, and integrate SAMs into tactics and training, to give Sadat the foundation for the force he used in '73. He's still got a bad record of neglect for the previous 13-14 years of course.

And I don't know how his thinking and skills would translate to the technology, and opportunities of the 3rd quarter of the 19th century.

If he was serious about training, he would have sent the entire officers corps to the USSR and those who failed, get canned, and send the Enlisted to Soviet Basic Training as well. He also would have accepted that having a professional military means trusting them to not overthrow him.

He wasn't willing to go that far.
 
It’s a shame this thread has basically been ignored/embargoed over “me no likey Nasser” feelingss.

I dunno, it seems like a lot of fun could be had with the premise of the mind of a post colonial leader in a pre colonial time.
 
It’s a shame this thread has basically been ignored/embargoed over “me no likey Nasser” feelingss.

I dunno, it seems like a lot of fun could be had with the premise of the mind of a post colonial leader in a pre colonial time.

It's not that; it's just that I myself am not too knowledgeable about Egypt in general. I don't want to add anything if what I add might sound stupid, you know? ;)
 

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