What if Engelbert Dolfuss, Kurt Schussnigg and their pals were weak-kneed, and lily-livered cowards - early Anschluss?

Would Austria unify with Germany by 1934 in this scenario

  • No, because you could never get the *all* the Austrians to be this weak and panicky

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • No, because even if the Austrians were surrender monkeys, others like the Italians would go in

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Yes, and it would have accelerated the power growth of 3rd Reich relative to its enemies

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • Yes, but it would have worked to 3rd Reich's long-term disadvantage relative to its enemies

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    5

raharris1973

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In real life, Austria's Engelbert Dolfuss was a reactionary Catholic Conservative son of a postman who was short in stature at 5 feet but tall in guts, ruthlessly suppressing his Socialist and Nazi opposition until he was assassinated in 1934. After he was assassinated by Nazis, the Austrofascist state and movement, led by successor Kurt Schussnigg, inspired and supported by the institutions Dolfuss had set up domestically and his foreign alliance, with Italy, was able to survive almost four more years before surrendering to a now stronger Nazi Germany in 1938. This was contrary to the hopes of Austrian Nazis in 1933 and 1934, who became eager to take over as soon as Hitler took over in Germany, and thought, wrongly, the killing of Dolfuss would remove their last obstacle to their taking power.

Well, what if the leading figures in the ruling Christian Social Party in Austria, a different Dolfuss, or somebody else in his place, just aren't made of stern stuff, they let the Nazis rally unimpeded, typically let the justice system go easy on right-wing violence (including Nazis this time) while being harsh on leftist militias, and, rather than doing a crackdown on the Nazis, fold to their ever-increasing demands, leading fairly quickly to a coalition with Nazis, then takeover, then unification plebiscite. In the meantime, those Austrian non-Nazis fail to reach out and make any alliances with Mussolini.

So by the end of 1934, Nazi control of Austria is becoming irreversible, and the non-Nazi leaders are just content getting out-maneuvered, retired, or leaving the country.

Arthur Seyss-Inquart, the head of the Austrian-Nazi government, schedules a referendum on unification with Germany for Jan. 1, 1915, and it wins with 99% of the vote.

How is subsequent European history affected?

France and especially Italy I imagine would be very unhappy. Britain would find the speed of events and thuggishness of street events and ridiculous margin disturbing, but would never consider move a casus belli or something Britain should be obligated to interfere with. France is more bothered, but it lacks a common border with Austria. Although it does have a common border with Germany, if truly determined to intervene. But the Maginot Line investment is sort of a hint that intervening in Germany is pretty unlikely.

Will Italy intervene to stop the plebiscite, the execution of plebiscite, and overthrow the Austrian Nazis, without anyone in Austria, aside from some ideologically anathema lefties, showing any willingness to resist?

I imagine this quick and precocious Anschluss would leave the Italians feeling sore for awhile, even if it is a fait accompli, but depending how long events on the continent take to rise to a continent-wide showdown, the Italians will also have time to acclimate to the new reality and having a new neighbor, basically "get over it", and possibly also come to disagreement with the British and French on other matters.

Does the merger of Germany and Austria, effective pretty much at the beginning of 1935, lead to an immediate confrontation and race to prepare for confrontation between Grossdeutschland and Czechoslovakia? If so, Germany is in all senses starting that race or period of tension from a lower base of armed strength, not having conscription or its Air Force revived, and not having the Rhineland refortified. The only advantage Germany does have over OTL, is an earlier absorption of Austria's land, population, and money, and the geographic encircling edge that provides.

The Czechs are in some ways given more warning time they can possibly use to fort up before any attack, but, Sudeten German activism is likely to start earlier, and they are going to have to be planning for a nearly 300-degree defense around their encircled border.

What will this all lead to over the next few years?
 
Don't really know enough about Austria during this time period. Not sure why it would it would lead to Germany confronting Czechoslovakia - as you point out, Germany probably isn't prepared for significant pushback here. I'm unsure how much Germany expected Britain and France to react to it's territorial expansion and reclamation of the previously held territory of the German Empire - I've read claims all the way between "Germany didn't think Britain and France would actually declare war over Poland" and "Germany wanted war with Britain and France over Czechoslovakia, and thought the Munich Agreement cheated them out of one."
 
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Don't really know enough about Austria during this time period. Not sure why it would it would lead to Germany confronting Czechoslovakia - as you point out, Germany probably isn't prepared for significant pushback here. I'm unsure how much Germany expected Britain and France to react to it's territorial expansion and reclamation of the previously held territory of the German Empire - I've read claims all the way between "Germany didn't think Britain and France would actually declare war over Poland" and "Germany wanted war with Britain and France over Czechoslovakia, and thought the Munich Agreement cheated them out of one."

On the last point I've read the same as well although there is a possible way through the contradiction. That Hitler desired and expected war over the Sudatenland but after the western powers deserted the Czechs possibly many German leaders didn't think that the allies would fight then?
 
Mussolini would not agree.He reacted very emotionally to Dolfuss murder.So,either Hitler would chicken out,or Italy would fight him.Italian armies were no good,but german almost non-existent,so Italy would win.
Since bavarian in 1934 still remembered their independence,it could lead to independent Bavaria.
If not,NSDAP would still lost power.

Problem is - germans would still wont war,and they would return to alliance with soviets.WW2 would occur,but when they are ready.Maybe 1950? enough time to rearm after lying down for few years.
 
"Germany wanted war with Britain and France over Czechoslovakia, and thought the Munich Agreement cheated them out of one."

I think what Hitler wanted in fall 1938 was *not* a war with Britain and France, instead he wanted a real war, but a private one, against Czechoslovakia, to get combat testing done and get a "real" victory and do some real extermination.

From our point-of-view, the western intervention at Munich was pro-German because it gave Germany its formal demands without a fight. And it certainly was *more* pro-German than fighting alongside Czechoslovakia. But from a selfish German point of view, this Central European border issue was not France or Britain's business in the first place, and they were rude to interfere at all and presume to have an opinion and even pretend it might be something they would use force over.
 
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I think what Hitler wanted in fall 1938 was *not* a war with Britain and France, instead he wanted a real war, but a private one, against Czechoslovakia, to get combat testing done and get a "real" victory and do some real extermination.

From our point-of-view, the western intervention at Munich was pro-German because it gave Germany its formal demands without a fight. And it certainly was *more* pro-German than fighting alongside Czechoslovakia. But from a selfish German point of view, this Central European border issue was not France or Britain's business in the first place, and they were rude to interfere at all and presume to have an opinion and even pretend it might be something they would use force over.

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hat would be a selfish and very double dealing viewpoint as the western powers had numerous interests in preventing the attack on Czechoslovakia, economic, strategic and moral. :D
 

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