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All assets that naturally reside on the state will be used and fighting for the state. Governor's will count as the President's of their respective Coalition.

Any Military assets outside the US will be teleported back to their place of origin (Ex: A US Soldier with a permanent residence in Texas will fight for Texas)

Which coalition wins the fight?

SC1) No WMD's or equivalent
SC2) No nukes but equivalent WMD's like dirty bombs are allowed.
 
We need listings of military bases pronto. :cool:

I would guesstimate that the Southern Confederacy has an advantage. Fort Benning, Hood, Sill, Jackson and Bragg etc plus the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center means they have a training pipeline for infantry and soldiers set up pretty well. Plus Parris Island for the Marines.

There's also the Submarine Base in Georgia. And Texas alone has an advantage in it's energy infrastructure being independent of the rest of the country to a degree. Plus the Yuge ports in Houston and oil facilities. Lot of munitions producers as well including Rocket Town (not actual name) in Alabama.

Barrett, Bear Creek, Kimber, Keltec, Kalashnikov and Beretta all have firearms factories in the South off the top of my head. I'm sure once more digging is done much capability will be revealed of all the groups of course.

Like the Southwest might have a considerable airpower advantage with Air Bases and naval ports for example.

Northeast is good too with Virginia and DC and numerous East Coast naval ports. Ohio has the only tank plant and the only other one that can be built up in any amount of time (single digit years) would be in Detroit. And so on and so forth.
 
Hmm, my gut says it comes down to 3 vs. 5. The Appalachian mountains provide a certain amount of natural barrier between them but they can work around that eventually.

There's at least one military base in every state so everybody's going to have some, but they're disproportionately located at the coasts and more so on the east coast. District 5 is going to have most of the military leadership due to having Washington DC and also has a big chunk of the big important bases like Norfolk.

I'm presuming that railroads, bridges, and highways are going to be hit in the first few hours as each district tries to cut off access from its enemies. Additionally, only morons are going to heavily congregate their military assets along a highway or railway track where the other districts can easily predict their movements and hit them with long-range bombardment. This means terrain and choke points are going to play a huge role.

District 1 has a solid number of military bases in California (And a major one in Hawaii) but little else going for them, and much of that is naval. Further, the large population of California is largely unarmed and unmotivated to go to war, making mobilizing them very difficult. The logistics of managing to get those assets across the Sierra Nevadas, then huge dangerous deserts (or small and really dangerous ones like Death Valley), then hundreds of miles of flyover country makes their ability to attack anybody but District 2 very difficult. Meanwhile, the reverse is true of District 3, Texas would be able to easily mobilize and take out large chunks of District 1 on its eastern borders, putting itself in easy range for aircraft and missile strikes on California population centers while also keeping a good strategic depth for their own population centers.

District 2 has three states with some of the highest gun ownership in the country, unfortunately, those states are Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and they have very small total populations so it doesn't translate into a very large number of actual people with firearm skills. Worse, they're right next to District 1 and the only viable target for District 1's large navy. They are also split by the Rocky Mountains which will basically turn them into two districts, the relatively sparsely-populated but well-armed east and, well, the western half gets Portland.

District 3 has a very decent chunk of military bases, many of them are especially large and well-equipped as well like Tinker Airforce Base, Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, and the Naval Construction Battalion Center. On top of that, they have the Texas Rangers, Bubba, and Florida Man. Eyeballing it, I estimate their military is only a bit below District 5 but their armed civilian and militia population dramatically outstrips everybody else. This armed population also has a seething hatred of the populations of Districts 5 and 1, and they will be highly motivated to attack them. Overall I think I give them the best odds though not remotely a sure thing.

District 3 does have one huge weakness, the Mississippi Basin. It will give them an unbeatable advantage when transporting things along the ridiculous number rivers, letting them bite deep into 1, 2, and 4 territory with ease. At the same time, we can reasonably expect every bridge to get hit almost immediately by long-range missile attacks, cutting its territory in 2 as far as ground travel goes. They do have the main base of the Seabees in their territory so they can in fact build stuff pretty danged quick but that will only help so much. They probably will need a crash-building project on getting a ton of ferries going for transportation over rivers.

District 4 is just hosed. They lack both significant military assets and significant populations. The population centers they do have are places like Chicago that are more likely to turn into internal bloodbaths rather than mobilize to go attack the enemy. On top of that the two bordering districts with the easiest chance of attacking them are the powerhouses 3 and 5.

Overall I give the best chances to District 3 but it's not a sure thing.
 
I'd agree right off the bat District 2, the Upper Midwest, is doomed. It'd be doomed even if it was considerably larger. It's beset on three sides and barely any natural barriers except on the South. More importantly unlike the other four districts it has no outlet to the Sea. The only replenishment from abroad can be done via Canada through the Great Lakes or sparing few land connections to the interior of Canada.

Chicago and Milwaukee are really close to the border which means only the Twin Cities is in a relatively secure area as far as major metropolitan areas are concerned. There are munitions factories like BAE and OshKosh or Federal Ammunition off hand but the other districts have more. Same with major military bases. And of coast no real naval power (just Coast Guard lol) though there is a major shipbuilder shipyard in Marinette Wisconsin.

District Five would probably get the choicest bits of Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota though it'd be hard fighting for it. The South and Northwest might be able to snag the flat states. The Mississippi and Ohio Rivers would be a slight hamper for the South to move as rapidly into Illinois for example unlike for the Northeast who can just cross over the border.
 
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I'd agree right off the bat District 2, the Upper Midwest, is doomed. It'd be doomed even if it was considerably larger. It's beset on three sides and barely any natural barriers except on the South. More importantly unlike the other four districts it has no outlet to the Sea. The only replenishment from abroad can be done via Canada through the Great Lakes or sparing few land connections to the interior of Canada.

Chicago and Milwaukee are really close to the border which means only the Twin Cities is in a relatively secure area as far as major metropolitan areas are concerned. There are munitions factories like BAE and OshKosh or Federal Ammunition off hand but the other districts have more. Same with major military bases. And of coast no real naval power (just Coast Guard lol) though there is a major shipbuilder shipyard in Marinette Wisconsin.

District Five would probably get the choicest bits of Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota though it'd be hard fighting for it. The South and Northwest might be able to snag the flat states. The Mississippi and Ohio Rivers would be a slight hamper for the South to move as rapidly into Illinois for example unlike for the Northeast who can just cross over the border.
Let's not forget mutual alliances tho, California and New York basically blow each other so there's a good chance one and five will team up against three.
 
Let's not forget mutual alliances tho, California and New York basically blow each other so there's a good chance one and five will team up against three.
. . . You're missing a serious problem Disctrict 5 would have in pulling that off... all the border States of it hate its core region too, and California.

Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia and Virginia all have various beefs with New York and would buck allying with California (as likely would Pennsylvania). Further, all of District's 5 border states tend to see themselves and be much more sympathetic to the District 3 regions, with only Virginia being marginal there due to northern Virginia.

That's assuming normal culture/politics for those regions.
 
Yeah I'm assuming district wide unity or else we'd get stuck in the Weeds as most of the districts would be too preoccupied with internal purging and civil strife to care about conquering anywhere else.
 
District 3 also has the Saint Marks Powder plant, the one that supplies the powder to most US ammunition factories. There's a Taurus Plant in South Georiga(Yeah, It's Taurus, but it's still a gun) as well as Palmetto State Armory and the other smaller manufacturers to go with the bigger ones. Somone already mentioned Parris Island, but there's also the AIT schools in Mississippi that a great deal of our Army goes to.
 
As far as naval conflict goes, District Five actually has a huge starting advantage due to having all six Atlantic Fleet carrier battle groups based out of Norfolk, versus District Three's naval forces of zero carrier battle groups. District Three does have all of the Atlantic Fleet's SSBNs, but fewer of their SSNs and not nearly enough independent surface squadrons to balance six-to-zero CVBGs.

Districts One and Two are evenly matched in carrier battle groups with two each, but District Two has a vastly superior submarine force, including all the Pacific Fleet SSBNs based out of Kitsap Bay. District Two also critically has access to substantially greater support and maintenance facilities than District One, including the the only drydock facility on the entire West Coast capable of handling a Nimitz-class carrier, and while One and Two both have a major navy shipyard facility, District One's shipyard at Pearl Harbor is physically isolated from the rest of D1 and *incredibly* vulnerable to being cut off from the mainland by any level of naval blockade.
 
District Five won't have any advantage from those carriers.


They're all in various stages of decommissioning, refit, repair, or construction.
 
District Five won't have any advantage from those carriers.


They're all in various stages of decommissioning, refit, repair, or construction.

Actually only of the 3 that would considered active are commissioned ships and so are in that count of 11. The other ones aren't
 

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