They Live SG-1 : Conquest and Paternalism

[DarthOne]

They Live and SG-1 generally don't go together, but they're based on the same underlying premise. Our leaders are lying to us, denying us knowledge of fundamental truths about our world. Truths that can be the difference between freedom and slavery for all of humanity.

 

[Skallagrim]

Feral Historian is a really fascinating thinker. I've found practically all his videos engaging and well worth watching.

(He uploaded a video on the short-lived series Kings -- itself also very much worth watching -- about an hour ago, by the way. Haven't had an opportunity to watch that one yet, but looking forward to it!)

 

[DarthOne]

Feral Historian is a really fascinating thinker. I've found practically all his videos engaging and well worth watching.

(He uploaded a video on the short-lived series Kings -- itself also very much worth watching -- about an hour ago, by the way. Haven't had an opportunity to watch that one yet, but looking forward to it!)

That he is. And I’ve watched it, it’s certainly interesting

 

[Bassoe]

Realistically though, is there any way Disclosure wouldn't start a war?

Either civil ones with everyone wronged by the coverup of scifi technologies getting them and leaving the planet to make their own civilizations with extremely stringent goverment openness policies and never trusting neo-sakoku traitor earthling politicians again or a world one where America tries to use their monopoly on the asgard core and offworld colonies preventing a full MAD attack killing all americans on earth from automatically meaning their defeat to carve out a global empire now before the technologies can disseminate to the rest of the world.

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it.

Or possibly both combined, the American offworld colonies being full of the politically loyal to the American military-industry complex, so they might try starting a MAD war on earth to get their enemies to destroy each other than recolonize.

 

[King Arts]

Realistically though, is there any way Disclosure wouldn't start a war?

Either civil ones with everyone wronged by the coverup of scifi technologies getting them and leaving the planet to make their own civilizations with extremely stringent goverment openness policies and never trusting neo-sakoku traitor earthling politicians again or a world one where America tries to use their monopoly on the asgard core and offworld colonies preventing a full MAD attack killing all americans on earth from automatically meaning their defeat to carve out a global empire now before the technologies can disseminate to the rest of the world.



Or possibly both combined, the American offworld colonies being full of the politically loyal to the American military-industry complex, so they might try starting a MAD war on earth to get their enemies to destroy each other than recolonize.

Yup when you think about it like that it does make you dislike the US military and kinda wish the Ori or Gould win.

 

[DarthOne]

Yup when you think about it like that it does make you dislike the US military and kinda wish the Ori or Gould win.

I would not go that far. As either group wining would be apocalyptic for humanity.

 

[King Arts]

I would not go that far. As either group wining would be apocalyptic for humanity.

I think I said almost. I haven’t watched the show that long and while the Gould were cartoon evil dicks were the Ori that bad?

 

[DarthOne]

I think I said almost. I haven’t watched the show that long and while the Gould were cartoon evil dicks were the Ori that bad?

Yes. The Ori were Christianity viewed through a psudo-leftist lense. With elements of Islam thrown in.

 

[King Arts]

Yes. The Ori were Christianity viewed through a psudo-leftist lense. With elements of Islam thrown in.

That's why I find them sympathetic.
If the religion is real, I don't really care about things like "rights" or whatever. I think people have a freedom of religion for two main reasons. One is it's hard to prove one faith, the second is to prevent mass atrocities by killing many people who because of reason one can't be convinced to a religion without force. This does not apply if there is legitimate proof like in the old testament where God was a literal pillar of fire. I mean do you think God was wrong for killing the Ancient Jews when they were going into idolotry after he freed them from slavery and they saw with their own eyes miracles? My support of freedom of religion is practical people should be allowed to worship their faiths (as long as it's not actively evil like Aztec, or satanism or whatever) so Buddhists, Muslims, Jews should be allowed to practice their faith in peace because it would be hard to convince them in their heart(as opposed to just outward behavior).


The way I see it is if there is one God aka monotheism then he can set morality.
If there are many gods then you can have good gods and evil gods and pick and choose.

In stargate the ascended beings are gods so they are entitled to worship, and people should strive to ascend since it's possible(ironically this is more like Buddhism or Mormonism than normal Christianity)

 

[Bassoe]

Yup when you think about it like that it does make you dislike the US military and kinda wish the Ori or Gould win.

I would not go that far. As either group wining would be apocalyptic for humanity.

The difference between the goa'uld and the real world military intelligence community's pet jihadist insurgencies, the goa'uld pose an actual existential threat. The purpose of the wars in the sandbox were to justify creating a security state, transferring large amounts of taxpayer money to arms dealing megacorporations and importing radicalized foreigners whose homes we just bombed to swell the reserve army of labor and justify more of the same when they inevitably commit additional terrorist attacks against us.

The goa'uld, meanwhile, are technologically superior, have no qualms about genocide and actively want us destroyed so our free and technological civilization doesn't threaten their image of divinity to their human slaves.

A sensible goa'uld policy looks like:

• Tell everyone everything and share every piece of technology. No exceptions, "national security" among human nations is irreverent compared to having billions more scientists to throw at reverse-engineering and all the world's military-industry complexes involved in mass-producing humanity's defenses rather than just the American one.
• If a planet has a barbarian human population, it needs glowies infiltrating to spread technologies and weapons to inconvenient the goa'uld empire with guerrilla uprisings like the soviet union was doing during the cold war.
• Plant colonies everywhere, with as many copies of manufacturing infrastructure and archives of information as possible, in the full expectation that eventually the goa'uld will show up in force with enough firepower to break through whatever gimcrack knockoffs of their tech we could reverse-engineer for earth's defenses and orbitally bombard the planet till they've killed everything but the deep crust archaebacteria.
• Keep all the "it's too dangerous" menaces of the week in a weyland-yutani attempt to develop a MAD deterrent sampson option to do as much damage to everything as possible in the event of our defeat.

 

[DarthOne]

The difference between the goa'uld and the real world military intelligence community's pet jihadist insurgencies, the goa'uld pose an actual existential threat. The purpose of the wars in the sandbox were to justify creating a security state, transferring large amounts of taxpayer money to arms dealing megacorporations and importing radicalized foreigners whose homes we just bombed to swell the reserve army of labor and justify more of the same when they inevitably commit additional terrorist attacks against us.

The goa'uld, meanwhile, are technologically superior, have no qualms about genocide and actively want us destroyed so our free and technological civilization doesn't threaten their image of divinity to their human slaves.

A sensible goa'uld policy looks like:

• Tell everyone everything and share every piece of technology. No exceptions, "national security" among human nations is irreverent compared to having billions more scientists to throw at reverse-engineering and all the world's military-industry complexes involved in mass-producing humanity's defenses rather than just the American one.
• If a planet has a barbarian human population, it needs glowies infiltrating to spread technologies and weapons to inconvenient the goa'uld empire with guerrilla uprisings like the soviet union was doing during the cold war.
• Plant colonies everywhere, with as many copies of manufacturing infrastructure and archives of information as possible, in the full expectation that eventually the goa'uld will show up in force with enough firepower to break through whatever gimcrack knockoffs of their tech we could reverse-engineer for earth's defenses and orbitally bombard the planet till they've killed everything but the deep crust archaebacteria.
• Keep all the "it's too dangerous" menaces of the week in a weyland-yutani attempt to develop a MAD deterrent sampson option to do as much damage to everything as possible in the event of our defeat.

…that is genius.

Though I’m not certain I understand what ‘grimcrack’ is; I assume it’s a combination of ‘grim(-dark)’ and ‘crack’.