Religion The breakdown of doffrences between Christian denominations

[Poe]

No you misread. I said that Islam would be in the same category as Mormons. Since they have an new prophet and a new holy book instead of just the scriptures they are new. So a protestant can say that Mormons and Muslims aren't Christians.

But they can't say Jehova's Witnesses are not Christian.

No I read it right, I was more referring to this part

I mean are they easy if I can pull out Bible passages that show the opposite?

1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus' will is likewise autonomous from God's Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God's will.

3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, "by myself, I can do nothing." This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to "please myself" but rather is seeking to "please the one who sent me."

5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn't pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!"

9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term "to be one." It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that "to be one" does not mean to be "one and the same."

11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: "through him all things were made.")

12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, "don't call me good, none are good, only God."

14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus "became" the source of eternal salvation


What makes them a central core tenant of Christianity? Where does it say the trinity is in the Bible, let alone it is important?

Islam believes exactly this, that Jesus was not one with the father and neither he nor the gospels claimed him to be.

 

[Scottty]

But they can't say Jehova's Witnesses are not Christian.

JW's are not Christians.
And they do not believe in the authority of the Bible, even though they are trained to say that they do. The authority they actually believe in, is that of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Some of their key doctrines cannot be derived from any misreading of Scripture - they are based on claimed "revelation" to the leaders of the WBTC.

 

[LordsFire]

Snip.

Congratulations, you're diving headfirst into the mystery of the Trinity.

The problem Arians had, is that they tried to understand God, especially Christ, within the same limitations that humans would have; this is not appropriate, and is part of why they ended up in heresy.

 

[Buba]

Dynamic Monarchianism for teh win!!!11
Ya'll heretics!

 

[stephen the barbarian]

I will agree that the Vatican is not THE Church. They are a Church,

the "Catholic Church" can refer to

1. all of Nicene Christianity, (Protestant and Orthodox included) this is usually not capitalized to distinguish it
2. the denomination headquartered in Rome
3. the bureaucracy and clergy associated with said denomination headquartered in Rome

when i use "the Church" i mean the first one, when i use "the Vatican" i mean last one, and i tend to call the middle one "the Catholic faith."

Determining what the canon is, is hard since there appears to be disagreements among the early church fathers, on if even the Book of Esther was to be part of the Bible.

Protestants use the same the Biblical cannon as the pre-reformation Catholics, the Council of Trent (1546) elevated the Apocrypha to deuterocanonical status.

 

[TheRejectionist]

You can tell this thread was made by @Zachowon by the spelling errors...

 

[Buba]

You can tell this thread was made by @Zachowon by the spelling errors...

You think is SIGN?

 

[Free-Stater 101]

If anybody wants a mostly fair breakdown here is a good video.

 

[King Arts]

You can tell this thread was made by @Zachowon by the spelling errors...

lol I didn’t even notice that. I would have named this thread the great Christian deathmatch battle royale.

 

[Husky_Khan]

If anybody wants a mostly fair breakdown here is a good video.

Actually posted a thread about a series of videos that were made charting the history of the various Abrahamic religions and other religious history topics.

So through the channel Vlogging Through History I came upon (or rather re-encountered) the Youtube Channel Useful Charts. Back when I used to watch some Useful Charts videos it was on the 'family tree/genealogy' of famous lines of royalty or Greek mythology or something but now he's charting a lot of interesting new stuff.

Over the past few months or so he's tackled topics relating to Christianity pretty heavily with a few different video series.

The most interesting one to me so far (and the latest one) is this eight video series Christian Denominations Family Tree.



Episode 1: Christian Origins & Early Church Schisms
Episode 2: Roman Catholics & Eastern Orthodox
Episode 3: Anglicans, Lutherans & Reformed
Episode 4: Anabaptists & Quakers
Episode 5: Baptists & Methodists
Episode 6: Mormons, Adventists & Jehovah's Witnesses
Episode 7: Pentecostals & Charismatics
Episode 8: Miscellaneous Groups (covers Univeralism, LGBTQIA+ as well as Chinese, Korean, African, and various Latin American denominations etc)

Each of these episodes by the way covers A LOT MORE then just the denominations mentioned in the title and actually has a bit of a 'generational' passage of time IMHO as Christianity develops.

He's also done a seven video series on 'Who Wrote the Bible'



Episode 1: The Torah
Episode 2: The Prophets
Episode 3: The Writings
Episode 4: The Apocrypha
The First Four Episodes Pertain to the Jewish Bible or Christian Old Testament
Episode 5: The Gospels and Acts
Episode 6: The Epistles
Episode 7: Daniel & Revelation

He's also done a six video series on 'Bible Genealogy.' This is his oldest series of the three.



Episode 1: Which Bible Characters are Historical?
Episode 2: From Adam to David
Episode 3: Kings of Israel and Judah
Episode 4: Meccabees & King Herod Family Tree
Episode 5: Genealogy of Jesus
Episode 6: Responding to Comments (On this series)
He also recently did a video titled Biblical Family Tree: From Adam & Eve to Roman Times

He's done many more religious videos but for other ones pertaining to Christianity and thus this topic here are two more standalone videos.

English Bible Translations Family Tree



And of course:

Bible Chronology

Just FYI the YouTuber who made these videos, Matt Baker was a member of the non-Nicene Adventist Sect Church of God growing up, then became an atheist, before converting to Judaism.

Religion - Charting the History of Christianity (and Judaism) Video Series. Now Updated With Islam!

So through the channel Vlogging Through History I came upon (or rather re-encountered) the Youtube Channel Useful Charts. Back when I used to watch some Useful Charts videos it was on the 'family tree/genealogy' of famous lines of royalty or Greek mythology or something but now he's charting a...

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