The Agony of Middle Eastern Christendom by Apostolic Majesty

[Agent23]

TL;DR

The middle east was not Muslim since forever and the predominant Christian denominations inhabiting it were enslaved, forcibly converted, and otherwise abused into non-existence.

The Crusades were a reaction to all this to a large degree.

 

[Agent23]

Also, @ATP @Aldarion you might like this.

 

[ATP]

Also, @ATP @Aldarion you might like this.

Last christians in Iraq were slaughtered trhanks to american protestants after 2003.
And,they try to do the same in Iran now.

Dunno why,their enemies should be catholics,not orthodox....

 

[posh-goofiness]

Last christians in Iraq were slaughtered trhanks to american protestants after 2003.
And,they try to do the same in Iran now.

Dunno why,their enemies should be catholics,not orthodox....

Expand, on that please.

 

[ATP]

Expand, on that please.

Protestants really hated catholics,and,till USA was ruled by WASP,they tried to persecute them/and aften did so/
So,i could undarstandt,if Bush help muslim massacre catholics.It would be evil,but logical.

But,various orthodox churches in Iraq never did anytching to protestants,so i really do not knew why Bush wonted them go so bad.

And,dunno why they try to kill christians in Iran so hard now,too.They are not catholics,too,so protestants have no reasons to butcher them.

 

[Circle of Willis]

Expand, on that please.

Well I don't know if I'd necessarily describe it as an anti-Christian conspiracy, but it can't be denied that US foreign policy in the late 20th to early 21st centuries have favored anti-Christian factions in the Middle East with a startling consistency and worked against dictators that, for all their other faults, were generally at least tolerant of the Mideastern Christian communities. In Iraq, Saddam Hussein notably had a Christian deputy prime minister and while he did crack down on Assyrian nationalists alongside Kurdish ones, that was done due to ethnic rather than sectarian reasons (he was an Arab nationalist after all). Bishops were not assassinated nor churches attacked with such ferocity as to leave dozens dead and still more wounded (at minimum) under Saddam. The Christian population of Iraq has suffered a staggering 90% drop from 1.5 million to ~150,000 in the 20 years since Bush Jr.'s invasion. (Also, anecdotally, I knew two Iraqi Christian girls in high school - one Syriac, one Chaldean Catholic. Both came over as refugees post-2003 and both were adamant that their families wouldn't have left for the West if it wasn't for how much harder life got for them after Saddam went under.)

In Egypt, of course, Obama backed the Arab Spring which ended up in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over democratically, then proceeding to mistreat the Coptic Christians so severely that their Pope supported Al-Sisi's coup two years later. And in Syria the US & the broader West threw its weight behind the 'moderate' rebels who, even before the emergence of ISIS, rapidly made it clear that the survival of Christianity in that country depended on Assad's own survival; also similar to Iraq, the Syrian Civil War has resulted in the Christian population tanking from 1.5 million to ~300,000 (a drop from 10% to 2% of Syria's overall population). Depending on whether you count the South Caucasus as part of the Middle East, the US is also in deep economically with Azerbaijan (including supplying them with arms) to this day even as they're trying to complete the work of Enver Pasha. The Iranian Revolution installing an Islamist regime in Tehran happened on Carter's watch and with actual collusion between the Carter administration & Khomeini behind the scenes, etc.

I think the last time the US tried to undertake an unambiguously pro-Christian policy in the Mideast was with Reagan's intervention in Lebanon which (accidentally or otherwise) benefited the Maronites there, and even that didn't last long after the 1983 Beirut barracks attack (a pity, because Hezbollah ended up taking over the place and marginalizing said Maronite Christians). It's honestly quite startling how consistently deleterious the US interventions in the Mideast have been for decades, even - or especially - under supposedly fervently Christian leaders like Bush Jr. and Carter.

 

[ATP]

Well I don't know if I'd necessarily describe it as an anti-Christian conspiracy, but it can't be denied that US foreign policy in the late 20th to early 21st centuries have favored anti-Christian factions in the Middle East with a startling consistency and worked against dictators that, for all their other faults, were generally at least tolerant of the Mideastern Christian communities. In Iraq, Saddam Hussein notably had a Christian deputy prime minister and while he did crack down on Assyrian nationalists alongside Kurdish ones, that was done due to ethnic rather than sectarian reasons (he was an Arab nationalist after all). Bishops were not assassinated nor churches attacked with such ferocity as to leave dozens dead and still more wounded (at minimum) under Saddam. The Christian population of Iraq has suffered a staggering 90% drop from 1.5 million to ~150,000 in the 20 years since Bush Jr.'s invasion. (Also, anecdotally, I knew two Iraqi Christian girls in high school - one Syriac, one Chaldean Catholic. Both came over as refugees post-2003 and both were adamant that their families wouldn't have left for the West if it wasn't for how much harder life got for them after Saddam went under.)

In Egypt, of course, Obama backed the Arab Spring which ended up in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over democratically, then proceeding to mistreat the Coptic Christians so severely that their Pope supported Al-Sisi's coup two years later. And in Syria the US & the broader West threw its weight behind the 'moderate' rebels who, even before the emergence of ISIS, rapidly made it clear that the survival of Christianity in that country depended on Assad's own survival; also similar to Iraq, the Syrian Civil War has resulted in the Christian population tanking from 1.5 million to ~300,000 (a drop from 10% to 2% of Syria's overall population). Depending on whether you count the South Caucasus as part of the Middle East, the US is also in deep economically with Azerbaijan (including supplying them with arms) to this day even as they're trying to complete the work of Enver Pasha. The Iranian Revolution installing an Islamist regime in Tehran happened on Carter's watch and with actual collusion between the Carter administration & Khomeini behind the scenes, etc.

I think the last time the US tried to undertake an unambiguously pro-Christian policy in the Mideast was with Reagan's intervention in Lebanon which (accidentally or otherwise) benefited the Maronites there, and even that didn't last long after the 1983 Beirut barracks attack (a pity, because Hezbollah ended up taking over the place and marginalizing said Maronite Christians). It's honestly quite startling how consistently deleterious the US interventions in the Mideast have been for decades, even - or especially - under supposedly fervently Christian leaders like Bush Jr. and Carter.

Well,they were protestants,so they hated "papists".Even if almost all christians there were not catholics....
But,apparently for protestants from USA anybody who is not protestant,must be papist - and treated as such.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

Well,they were protestants,so they hated "papists".Even if almost all christians there were not catholics....
But,apparently for protestants from USA anybody who is not protestant,must be papist - and treated as such.

Do you imagine Protestants to be one group? Which denominations are you specifically talking about and of them which churches?

 

[ATP]

Do you imagine Protestants to be one group? Which denominations are you specifically talking about and of them which churches?

All those who controlled USA when WASP ruled hated catholics.And,Bush really let massacre christians in Iraq for no reason - expect replacing CIA agent Hussain with islamists.