Oceans apart no longer.Or, ASB ISOTs the UK minus Ireland to the western hemisphere.

[Agent23]

This will include Scotland, Wales and the channel islands, but not Ireland, it stays in Europe.

The British islands are moved about 200 kilometers from the North American landmass at their two closest points, at the same latitude as they are now.

To making thighs more fun, ASB has decided to do it in several different historic periods.

1. Just after the US war if independence.

2. Just prior to the Crimean War.

3. 1914, just prior to the death of Franz Ferdinand.

4. Right after V-E day 1945.

5. The day Thatcher assumes office.

6. On the day of Brexit.

This is w same time ISOT, so calling it an ISOT might be ambiguous.

Bong-bong-bong.

 

[ATP]

This will include Scotland, Wales and the channel islands, but not Ireland, it stays in Europe.

The British islands are moved about 200 kilometers from the North American landmass at their two closest points, at the same latitude as they are now.

To making thighs more fun, ASB has decided to do it in several different historic periods.

1. Just after the US war if independence.

1.Brits conqer small USA,and forget Europe,except Ireland.Becouse french revolution started also thanks to brits money/they hated France for helping USA/ , now there is no french Revolution and Napoleon.

Somebody/probable France/ would take Ireland here.

Much better world - nor revolutions,and Kings still ruling.Even if Poland was partitioned on schedule,i still prefer that.

2. Just prior to the Crimean War.

Well,no conqest of USA,but no England meddling in Europe affairs,too/except Ireland/
So,still better world.
Somebody would liberated ireland here,too.

3. 1914, just prior to the death of Franz Ferdinand.

Notching change,french would simply stop their suicidal offensives in 1915.

4. Right after V-E day 1945.

Notching change,England was broken arleady.Unless...USA decide to not defend Europe,and Sralin take it all after 1950.

5. The day Thatcher assumes office.

Argentina is even more beaten - if they start war at all here.England could leave EU earlier.

6. On the day of Brexit.

Notching change.

This is w same time ISOT, so calling it an ISOT might be ambiguous.

Bong-bong-bong.

 

[Agent23]

1.Brits conqer small USA,and forget Europe,except Ireland.Becouse french revolution started also thanks to brits money/they hated France for helping USA/ , now there is no french Revolution and Napoleon.

Somebody/probable France/ would take Ireland here.

Much better world - nor revolutions,and Kings still ruling.Even if Poland was partitioned on schedule,i still prefer that.

Well,no conqest of USA,but no England meddling in Europe affairs,too/except Ireland/
So,still better world.
Somebody would liberated ireland here,too.


Notching change,french would simply stop their suicidal offensives in 1915.

Notching change,England was broken arleady.Unless...USA decide to not defend Europe,and Sralin take it all after 1950.

Argentina is even more beaten - if they start war at all here.England could leave EU earlier.


Notching change.

Don't you think that the British will be tempted to try and balkanize the states the way they have been doing to Europe and de facto retake the southern ones which were sort of peo-Britain and pro-free trade as opposed to the industrial policy north?

The US civil war is right around the corner, and the British industrialists will be salivating at the chance to get a new market right next door while the British military planners will be terrified of a united and strong USA moving across the pond to kick their asses.

 

[ATP]

Don't you think that the British will be tempted to try and balkanize the states the way they have been doing to Europe and de facto retake the southern ones which were sort of peo-Britain and pro-free trade as opposed to the industrial policy north?

The US civil war is right around the corner, and the British industrialists will be salivating at the chance to get a new market right next door while the British military planners will be terrified of a united and strong USA moving across the pond to kick their asses.

True,England before Crimean war would support South,Mormons,and whoever they could to balkanize North America.
And they would win.
They could also "save" indians on Great Plains,and made them kind of vassal states,sending there poor brits which they do not need in England.

Also,do the same with Chile and Argentina- there was still independent mapuche and other indians ruling there.

Bad for North America,good for indians,and even better for Europe - i do not belive that Prussia here manage to conqer anything.
No free Poland,but no communism,too.

 

[Agent23]

True,England before Crimean war would support South,Mormons,and whoever they could to balkanize North America.
And they would win.
They could also "save" indians on Great Plains,and made them kind of vassal states,sending there poor brits which they do not need in England.

And maybe manipulate Texas to stay independent, or Mexico to attack the USA.

Also, the people who colonized the U.S. South were originally exactly that, impoverished nobles, second sons, former soldiers, other riffraff from Britain.

Bad for North America,good for indians,and even better for Europe - i do not belive that Prussia here manage to conqer anything.
No free Poland,but no communism,too.

I don't see how this would prevent the rise of Prussia/some form of German reunification tbh.

 

[ATP]

And maybe manipulate Texas to stay independent, or Mexico to attack the USA.

Also, the people who colonized the U.S. South were originally exactly that, impoverished nobles, second sons, former soldiers, other riffraff from Britain.

I don't see how this would prevent the rise of Prussia/some form of German reunification tbh.

1.True.The more,the merrier from british point of viev.


2.In OTL Bismarck conqered other german states,becouse he:
2.A - provoked polish uprising,then quickly helped russians crush us - as a result,they become allies.
2.B - made Austria join his attack on Denmark in 1864 - which made them unpopular in other german states.
2.C - crush Austria and Bavaria in 1866 - and impsoe light conditions on Austria,making Bavaria to join defence alliance
2.D - provoked France to attack Prussia,so other german states must join,crush them,and created united Germany.

All possible thanks to luck,russian,austrian and french stupidity - AND England diplomatic support,becouse idiots wanted united germany then.

Now,England would not meddle,so there is good chance,that unprussian plan of Bismarck would fail without their support.

 

[gral]

Notching change,french would simply stop their suicidal offensives in 1915.

Disagree here. Blockade of Germany has become an impossibility, so if the French stop attacking, Germany gangs up on Russia, turning back on the French after the Russians are taken out from the War. Even if the French stop the Germans, the German situation is much better with Russia subdued.

Also, the European balance of power ceases to be important to the British with their new location.

 

[Agent23]

Also, the European balance of power ceases to be important to the British with their new location.

I would disagree here, they still have colonies and commercial interests outside of the British isles.

Colonies and interests thdt are often right next door to other European colonies and territorie.

 

[ATP]

Disagree here. Blockade of Germany has become an impossibility, so if the French stop attacking, Germany gangs up on Russia, turning back on the French after the Russians are taken out from the War. Even if the French stop the Germans, the German situation is much better with Russia subdued.

Also, the European balance of power ceases to be important to the British with their new location.

British blockade till 1918 was joke anyway - they let ships come to Netherland or Denmark,leave cargo there,and then germans taken it for themselves.
Only when USA joined,they started to treat it seriously.
And Russia hold till early 1917,and would hold longer if they do not counterattack.
Which would happen now.