Monroe Vetoes the Missouri Compromise -

Cool map!
For a State which began un-slavement in 1790 (or is that 1799?) New York sure is taking its bloody time about it :)
I know that Missouri and Arkansaw are fresh into statehood and with unimpresive population sizes, but still, with so few slaves, are they wed to the concept already? How "hardcore" "must have slavery" are they at this point in time?

Well I do recall reading once, a long time ago that at the time of the revolution New York had more slaves than any other state in the colonies/union. If that was accurate - and it might have been as that was before the development of the cotton gin greatly boosted the potential for slavery in the southern states - then a slow emancipation over a long period of time could well be coming to its end in 1820.
 
A thing to keep in mind is that around 1820, slavery wasn’t nearly as central to most US political disputes as it would eventually be around 1860. There’s four decades in-between. Basically two generations. Sure, some people who would play big roles in the general run-up to the Civil War were already active in politics back in the day, but mostly, the guys who were still mostly ‘young guard’ politicians in 1820 were already retired when the war actually broke out. In fact, most of them were dead by then.

By 1860, one’s position on slavery would ultimately tend to over-ride all other issues. But around 1820, slavery was just one (albeit prominent) issue. Northern Democrats clearly favoured free soil policies even in 1820, but they were still Democrats, and supported the overall Democratic platform. And Monroe was a fairly moderate Democrat; willing to compromise. With the Federalists imploded, the Democrats had become the Big Tent party. The very biggest of tents, in fact. And Monroe was enough of a centrist to get support from the party’s various wings.

Should Monroe veto the Compromise, he’ll surely lose some of that support, up in the free-soil North. But most of the Northern Democrats will stay loyal and vote Democrat. Because... what’s the alternative? Any Democratic defectors are going to be a small minority. To even stand any kind of chance, they’d have to merge with the Federalist remnants. That means the resulting “Northern” party is going to be a blend of Northern Democrat policies and Federalist/Nationalist ones. You might call this a “moderate (neo-)Federalist” party. They’ll probably be called the National Republicans, and their candidate will probably be John Quincy Adams.

This election will have a very different context than the OTL one of 1824, though. At this stage, “National Republicanism” is going to be unpalatable to most of the electorate. Monroe was popular for a reason! Federalism was dead at this point, and Nationalism was not yet well-formed. To wit: in OTL 1824, J.Q. Adams ran as a fairly moderate Democrat, and he didn’t even win the plurality. He only became President thanks to extensive political dealing (the infamous “corrupt bargain”). Only by 1828 did he run unabashedly as National Republican... and he promptly lost. Because even then, the majority of Americans just didn’t support that kind of thing yet. That tells us a lot about our ATL 1820 election! This was the era of Democratic supremacy, and that wasn’t because the rivals had withered away. It’s the other way around: Federalism had withered because the national mood had shifted. Sure, it would later shift again, but in 1820, any contest between a Democrat and a quasi-Federalist was going to be a shoe-in for the Democrat. So what if the Democrat was pro-slavery? Most free soil Democrats would just hold their noses and vote for him anyway.

Just look at the electoral maps, going all the way back to the Jeffersonian revolution of 1800. The trend shows us how Federalism just melts away like snow in sunlight. It melts all the way back to its North-Eastern heartland... and then it starts dying even there. Sure, the North-Western electorate might have tended towards free soil, but they voted Democrat as soon as they got voting rights, and they kept voting it for a decent number of elections. They may have been Northern Jeffersonians, but they sure were Jeffersonians. Just look at some more electoral maps: the first time a free-soiler wins any of the Western states is in 1836. Clearly, the Northern Democrats didn’t care that much about the matter. Not enough to over-ride their broad support for the Democratic platform as a whole.

If a National Republican party emerges to challenge Monroe in 1820, after he vetoes the Compromise, that new party is going to be an almost exclusively North-Eastern club. They’re going to carry New York, New Jersey, and everything North-East from there. Pennsylvania and Delaware will be the swing states. If they win both of those, they’re going to win. But they’re not going to win both of those. In fact, I expect they’ll carry neither one. Pennsylvania’s electorate was surely in favour of free-soil, but the state was also solidly Democratic. The last time Pennsylvania had produced any non-Democratic Electors was in 1800. At best, the National Republicans get a minority of the state’s 24 electors. Meanwhile, Delaware actually went Federalist right through the 1816 election... but never voted against the interests of slavery. Since there were relatively few slaves in Delaware, the doctrine of diffusionism was actually a quite attractive prospect: by ultimately “selling slaves West” as new slave states were admitted, Delaware would supposedly be able to just grow out of slavery over time, without having to make any difficult choices. So come the 1820 election, I expect Delaware to vote Monroe, just as it did in OTL.

So what’s the outcome here? The National Republicans get formed earlier, and Adams runs earlier... but he loses. Instead of an internal split of the Democrats into multiple wings, it’s more of a clean break into two factions, with a defined geographical boundary. Both factions are going to close ranks immediately, which means Adams (or anyone replacing him) isn’t going to win in ’24, either. Or in ’28, for that matter. The Democrats won’t be making deals with him: they’ll be united in opposing the National Republicans, and they’ll have a majority. Their leading man is probably still Jackson, and he’s going to be President in ’24, just like he wanted in OTL.

The partisanship of this ATL will make the Western states pretty staunchly Democratic, but they would have economic reasons to eventually come around to certain policies favoured by the National Republicans— as happened in OTL. And just as in OTL, the man to keep the West out of the North-East’s orbit would obviously be Henry Clay. He’s the man of the West, and he has his own brand of Nationalism. In the ATL, he wouldn’t call it that, obviously. And the realities of the political landscape would preclude any bargain with the National Republicans. Instead, he’d make his deals with the incumbent Jackson, who would want to get Clay fully on-board to secure the North-West.

So... Jackson/Clay ’28? I could see it happen. And then Clay would get his shot in ’32, with Jackson’s backing. Naturally, he’d need a solid Southerner as Vice President, to balance the ticket. And who’s more of a solid Southerner than John C. Calhoun?

By that point, the National Republicans would be pretty fed-up. They keep winning the same states over and over again, but they just can’t break out of the North-East. Jefferson’s political heirs have been in charge for over three decades! There’s been exactly one Northern President in 48 years— and he left office 32 years ago! Now, Clay’s canny politicking has ensured that Pennsylvania and the North-West have remained firmly in the Democratic camp. In the end, the Democratic offer to these free states (“you don’t talk about slavery, and we’ll just give you whatever you want otherwise... which happens to be pretty in-line with what we want anyway”) is just too good to overcome. So from a New England perspective, it looks like every future election is going to belong to the Democrats... just like nearly every past election.

So, instead of OTL’s Nullification Crisis, a Clay/Calhoun victory in ’32 may just spark the North-Eastern Secession. And I don’t think there’s going to be a majority in favour of trying to wrangle the seceded states back into the Union. After all, Southerners have maps, too. Even without the Monroe doctrine, most of the Western territories are too far North to credibly become slave states. And the Texian Revolution hasn’t happened yet... So letting the North-East secede actually looks like an easy way to definitively ensure that the slave states will always retain their majority.

Without the common foe to keep them united, we’ll probably see an acrimonious split between Clay and Calhoun (and sooner rather than later), followed by competing Presidential bids in ’36. Calhoun almost certainly wins that one, in a rump-USA dominated by slave states. The Democrats get split in twain, with a Northern free soil party and a Southern slavery party. I don’t see the Northerners joining the earlier secessionists right away, but President Calhoun is going to be pushing for the annexation of Texas (and for it joining the Union as multiple slave states, I expect). Soon enough, the free states will realise that they’ll always be a minority in the Union.

Eventually, there’s going to be a Second Northern Secession. Depending on how things develop, this might happen as early as 1840. Probably later, though. I don’t think this reduced USA could easily take as much of Mexico as in OTL, but a “Texas War” in the 1840s looks very credible. The free states in the North would see it as a waste, but the South would go full jingo. Afterwards, with more slave states added (carved out of Texas), I think the disaffected North would start edging towards the exit. Secession by 1850 at the latest, I’d wager. Again, I don’t see the slave power doing much to hinder such a move.

Almost immediately, there will be rapprochement between the newly-independent North-West and already-independent North-East. Possibly confederation. Maybe even full (re-)union.

There wouldn’t be any attempts by the Northern state(s) to subdue the Southern rump-USA. Sure, slavery is a moral problem if it’s happening in your country. But did the Northern states in OTL ever suggest “hey, maybe we could just stop buying those bloodstained raw materials that the South keeps selling to us”? Nope. They talked loudly about the evils of slavery, all while their factories eagerly turned the products of slavery into manufactures that they then sold abroad at a tidy profit. In this ATL, it would be much the same. The Northern state(s) would impose high tariffs on imports from the rump-USA, but high tariffs would be part of their economic policy anyway. Meanwhile, since slavery would no longer be their problem, they’d look the other way. Much as Britain et al. looked the other way where Brazil (or, indeed, the OTL USA) was concerned.

Slavery would have to die a natural death. On the plus side, without decades of digging their heels into the sand, the slavocrats wouldn’t produce the fire-eater mentality. So the relevant OTL example here is, again, Brazil. We should note that every Western nation managed to abolish slavery without having to fight a war over it. The USA was the outlier in OTL, difficulty-wise. Brazil was the outlier timetable-wise. I expect that in this ATL, the resolution of slavery in the USA would end up being a lot like that in Brazil in OTL. It happens later, but it happens without warfare.
 
A thing to keep in mind is that around 1820, slavery wasn’t nearly as central to most US political disputes as it would eventually be around 1860. There’s four decades in-between. Basically two generations. Sure, some people who would play big roles in the general run-up to the Civil War were already active in politics back in the day, but mostly, the guys who were still mostly ‘young guard’ politicians in 1820 were already retired when the war actually broke out. In fact, most of them were dead by then.

By 1860, one’s position on slavery would ultimately tend to over-ride all other issues. But around 1820, slavery was just one (albeit prominent) issue. Northern Democrats clearly favoured free soil policies even in 1820, but they were still Democrats, and supported the overall Democratic platform. And Monroe was a fairly moderate Democrat; willing to compromise. With the Federalists imploded, the Democrats had become the Big Tent party. The very biggest of tents, in fact. And Monroe was enough of a centrist to get support from the party’s various wings.

Should Monroe veto the Compromise, he’ll surely lose some of that support, up in the free-soil North. But most of the Northern Democrats will stay loyal and vote Democrat. Because... what’s the alternative? Any Democratic defectors are going to be a small minority. To even stand any kind of chance, they’d have to merge with the Federalist remnants. That means the resulting “Northern” party is going to be a blend of Northern Democrat policies and Federalist/Nationalist ones. You might call this a “moderate (neo-)Federalist” party. They’ll probably be called the National Republicans, and their candidate will probably be John Quincy Adams.

This election will have a very different context than the OTL one of 1824, though. At this stage, “National Republicanism” is going to be unpalatable to most of the electorate. Monroe was popular for a reason! Federalism was dead at this point, and Nationalism was not yet well-formed. To wit: in OTL 1824, J.Q. Adams ran as a fairly moderate Democrat, and he didn’t even win the plurality. He only became President thanks to extensive political dealing (the infamous “corrupt bargain”). Only by 1828 did he run unabashedly as National Republican... and he promptly lost. Because even then, the majority of Americans just didn’t support that kind of thing yet. That tells us a lot about our ATL 1820 election! This was the era of Democratic supremacy, and that wasn’t because the rivals had withered away. It’s the other way around: Federalism had withered because the national mood had shifted. Sure, it would later shift again, but in 1820, any contest between a Democrat and a quasi-Federalist was going to be a shoe-in for the Democrat. So what if the Democrat was pro-slavery? Most free soil Democrats would just hold their noses and vote for him anyway.

Just look at the electoral maps, going all the way back to the Jeffersonian revolution of 1800. The trend shows us how Federalism just melts away like snow in sunlight. It melts all the way back to its North-Eastern heartland... and then it starts dying even there. Sure, the North-Western electorate might have tended towards free soil, but they voted Democrat as soon as they got voting rights, and they kept voting it for a decent number of elections. They may have been Northern Jeffersonians, but they sure were Jeffersonians. Just look at some more electoral maps: the first time a free-soiler wins any of the Western states is in 1836. Clearly, the Northern Democrats didn’t care that much about the matter. Not enough to over-ride their broad support for the Democratic platform as a whole.

If a National Republican party emerges to challenge Monroe in 1820, after he vetoes the Compromise, that new party is going to be an almost exclusively North-Eastern club. They’re going to carry New York, New Jersey, and everything North-East from there. Pennsylvania and Delaware will be the swing states. If they win both of those, they’re going to win. But they’re not going to win both of those. In fact, I expect they’ll carry neither one. Pennsylvania’s electorate was surely in favour of free-soil, but the state was also solidly Democratic. The last time Pennsylvania had produced any non-Democratic Electors was in 1800. At best, the National Republicans get a minority of the state’s 24 electors. Meanwhile, Delaware actually went Federalist right through the 1816 election... but never voted against the interests of slavery. Since there were relatively few slaves in Delaware, the doctrine of diffusionism was actually a quite attractive prospect: by ultimately “selling slaves West” as new slave states were admitted, Delaware would supposedly be able to just grow out of slavery over time, without having to make any difficult choices. So come the 1820 election, I expect Delaware to vote Monroe, just as it did in OTL.

So what’s the outcome here? The National Republicans get formed earlier, and Adams runs earlier... but he loses. Instead of an internal split of the Democrats into multiple wings, it’s more of a clean break into two factions, with a defined geographical boundary. Both factions are going to close ranks immediately, which means Adams (or anyone replacing him) isn’t going to win in ’24, either. Or in ’28, for that matter. The Democrats won’t be making deals with him: they’ll be united in opposing the National Republicans, and they’ll have a majority. Their leading man is probably still Jackson, and he’s going to be President in ’24, just like he wanted in OTL.

The partisanship of this ATL will make the Western states pretty staunchly Democratic, but they would have economic reasons to eventually come around to certain policies favoured by the National Republicans— as happened in OTL. And just as in OTL, the man to keep the West out of the North-East’s orbit would obviously be Henry Clay. He’s the man of the West, and he has his own brand of Nationalism. In the ATL, he wouldn’t call it that, obviously. And the realities of the political landscape would preclude any bargain with the National Republicans. Instead, he’d make his deals with the incumbent Jackson, who would want to get Clay fully on-board to secure the North-West.

So... Jackson/Clay ’28? I could see it happen. And then Clay would get his shot in ’32, with Jackson’s backing. Naturally, he’d need a solid Southerner as Vice President, to balance the ticket. And who’s more of a solid Southerner than John C. Calhoun?

By that point, the National Republicans would be pretty fed-up. They keep winning the same states over and over again, but they just can’t break out of the North-East. Jefferson’s political heirs have been in charge for over three decades! There’s been exactly one Northern President in 48 years— and he left office 32 years ago! Now, Clay’s canny politicking has ensured that Pennsylvania and the North-West have remained firmly in the Democratic camp. In the end, the Democratic offer to these free states (“you don’t talk about slavery, and we’ll just give you whatever you want otherwise... which happens to be pretty in-line with what we want anyway”) is just too good to overcome. So from a New England perspective, it looks like every future election is going to belong to the Democrats... just like nearly every past election.

So, instead of OTL’s Nullification Crisis, a Clay/Calhoun victory in ’32 may just spark the North-Eastern Secession. And I don’t think there’s going to be a majority in favour of trying to wrangle the seceded states back into the Union. After all, Southerners have maps, too. Even without the Monroe doctrine, most of the Western territories are too far North to credibly become slave states. And the Texian Revolution hasn’t happened yet... So letting the North-East secede actually looks like an easy way to definitively ensure that the slave states will always retain their majority.

Without the common foe to keep them united, we’ll probably see an acrimonious split between Clay and Calhoun (and sooner rather than later), followed by competing Presidential bids in ’36. Calhoun almost certainly wins that one, in a rump-USA dominated by slave states. The Democrats get split in twain, with a Northern free soil party and a Southern slavery party. I don’t see the Northerners joining the earlier secessionists right away, but President Calhoun is going to be pushing for the annexation of Texas (and for it joining the Union as multiple slave states, I expect). Soon enough, the free states will realise that they’ll always be a minority in the Union.

Eventually, there’s going to be a Second Northern Secession. Depending on how things develop, this might happen as early as 1840. Probably later, though. I don’t think this reduced USA could easily take as much of Mexico as in OTL, but a “Texas War” in the 1840s looks very credible. The free states in the North would see it as a waste, but the South would go full jingo. Afterwards, with more slave states added (carved out of Texas), I think the disaffected North would start edging towards the exit. Secession by 1850 at the latest, I’d wager. Again, I don’t see the slave power doing much to hinder such a move.

Almost immediately, there will be rapprochement between the newly-independent North-West and already-independent North-East. Possibly confederation. Maybe even full (re-)union.

There wouldn’t be any attempts by the Northern state(s) to subdue the Southern rump-USA. Sure, slavery is a moral problem if it’s happening in your country. But did the Northern states in OTL ever suggest “hey, maybe we could just stop buying those bloodstained raw materials that the South keeps selling to us”? Nope. They talked loudly about the evils of slavery, all while their factories eagerly turned the products of slavery into manufactures that they then sold abroad at a tidy profit. In this ATL, it would be much the same. The Northern state(s) would impose high tariffs on imports from the rump-USA, but high tariffs would be part of their economic policy anyway. Meanwhile, since slavery would no longer be their problem, they’d look the other way. Much as Britain et al. looked the other way where Brazil (or, indeed, the OTL USA) was concerned.

Slavery would have to die a natural death. On the plus side, without decades of digging their heels into the sand, the slavocrats wouldn’t produce the fire-eater mentality. So the relevant OTL example here is, again, Brazil. We should note that every Western nation managed to abolish slavery without having to fight a war over it. The USA was the outlier in OTL, difficulty-wise. Brazil was the outlier timetable-wise. I expect that in this ATL, the resolution of slavery in the USA would end up being a lot like that in Brazil in OTL. It happens later, but it happens without warfare.

Very interesting scenario- So in your concept, the southern-dominated USA would never resist either the first (northeastern) nor the second (midwestern) secession?

So I don't get my scenario of the northern secessionists getting British Canadian armed help? (bummer).

Could the seceding Midwest and Rump (southern) USA avoid fighting over how to divide the trans-mississppi territories?
 
Very interesting scenario- So in your concept, the southern-dominated USA would never resist either the first (northeastern) nor the second (midwestern) secession?

So I don't get my scenario of the northern secessionists getting British Canadian armed help? (bummer).

Could the seceding Midwest and Rump (southern) USA avoid fighting over how to divide the trans-mississppi territories?
It doesn't seem very likely that the remaining USA would actively resist the secessions. The slavocrats saw the Yankees as an active threat o their way of life. If the Yankees secede, that removes the threat. To them, the upside of that development is far more evident than the downside. We must keep in mind that federal primacy and the indivisible nature of the Union were, in OTL, far more prominent beliefs in the North.

Regarding the Western territories, the Northern segments were never going to become slave states anyway. I expect they'd draw a line straight West from the Northern border of Missouri, and everything North of that line goes with the North-Western secessionists.

I don't see either of the secessionist movements aiming to somehow "save the USA from itself". If it comes to the point that they're willing to split, they'll just want out. Since I don't see the South fighting to keep them in the Union by force, any foreign military aid is a moot point. Regardless, the North-East always leaned heavily towards British trade, so expect close ties with Canada there. The North-West may be another story, since the fractured USA isn't going to be in a good position to contest the British claims to Oregon Country. It's possible that Britain takes it, and the North-West is aggrieved because they just lost their West Coast. Alternatively, the dispute may just draw out longer, and the post-secession North-West comes to an understanding with Canada whereby Greater Oregon becomes a sort of co-dominium held between them. (Or it opts for independence of its own, entering into an alliance with its neighbours.)
 
Regarding the Western territories, the Northern segments were never going to become slave states anyway. I expect they'd draw a line straight West from the Northern border of Missouri, and everything North of that line goes with the North-Western secessionists.

That's generous to the south, giving them OTL Kansas, southern Nebraska, and eastern Colorado. Will the old northwest be OK with that and feel that gives them enough free soil for free farmers corn and wheat farm homesteading and cattle ranching? Or will they at least try to contend for some of the territory due west of Missouri?
 
What I find fascinating here is the idea that the South (and West) would let the North East go. In OTL the NE and West went batshit crazy over the South seceding. Why not the other way around? After all the Damnyankees are spiting upon the memory of all those Great Virginians who created the USA!

As to the North West "losing" its Pacific Coast - LOL! It was never theirs. What interests did the likes of Illinois have there? There is nothing between the upper Mississippi and the coast - in 1840 it is a desert with some nomadic stone-age Indians there ...

As to the newly created independent NE - that'd stiffle New York's growth, no?
It'd still get some measure of traffic by the Eire Canal (slightly less than OTL?) but RR links between the Midwest and the Atlantic Coast would terminate in ports further south, I imagine.
All in all the NE would be much poorer and/or less populated than in OTL.
 
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That's generous to the south, giving them OTL Kansas, southern Nebraska, and eastern Colorado. Will the old northwest be OK with that and feel that gives them enough free soil for free farmers corn and wheat farm homesteading and cattle ranching? Or will they at least try to contend for some of the territory due west of Missouri?
Given the supremacy of the South in the USA after the initial (North-Eastern) secession, there's little doubt that Kansas would be marked as slave territory anyway. And of course, the North-Western free states would know that if they push things too much, they'll provoke a fight anyway. Is Kansas worth a war, if giving it up lets you off the hook with no further trouble?

Besides, look at the map. I've mocked it up quickly:

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This shows us some things. First of all, a secession-born country North of the line I suggested is still going to be a pretty big country. It's not like they're giving up vast tracts of land that would otherwise be theirs. But more importantly, we can see a bottleneck over at the Delaware. I think that if there's anything they'll prioritise -- diplomatically, perhaps militarily -- it's going to be access to the Delaware Bay. Most probably, they'll want free trade access there. If they can get that, I don't think they'll care much about Kansas. This becomes even more important if the British take Greater Oregon and thus cut off access to the Pacific.


What I find fascinating here is the diea that the South (and West) would let the North East go. In OTL the NE and West went batshit crazy over the South seceding. Why not the other way around? After all the Damnyankees are spiting upon the memory of all those Great Virginians who created the USA!

As to the North West "losing" its Pacific Coast - LOL! It was never theirs. What interests did the likes of Illinois have there? There is nothing between the upper Mississippi and the coast - in 1840 it is a desert with some namadic stone-age Indians there ...

As to the newly created independent NE - that'd stiffle New York's growth, no?
It'd still get some measure of traffic by the Eire Canal (slightly less than OTL?) but RR links between the Midwest and the Atlantic Coast would terminate in ports further south, I imagine.
All in all the NE would be much poorer and/or less populated than in OTL.
We have to consider that in OTL, the free North was ever more ascendant, whereas the slave South was in decline. This trend had started decades before the Civil War. In fact, the Missouri Compromise was a sign of it. There were to be lands from which slavery would be forever barred. Thus, the South ultimately seceded, and the North, ah -- "continued politics by other means", as they say. The Civil War was essentially just that: a continuation and acceleration of the existing trend, i.e. the North becoming dominant and laying down the law.

In the ATL scenario, things are different. Slavery seems fairly entrenched, and hope for Northern political supremacy seems ephemeral. On the other hand, unlike the North in OTL, the South is not ascendant. It doesn't somehow appear inevitable that the slavocrats will force their will on all the Union. Therefore, in OTL, the North could be confident that fighting and winning the war would mean that they could lay down the law. In this ATL, the South has no reason to be quite that confident. In fact, the only way to do such a thing would be through permanent military occupation. That would demand federal governmental action on a scale that most Southerners would not readily accept.

Additionally, federal supremacy was a very Northern doctrine. It harkens back to the Federalists. The idea of states being coerced by the federal government was -- at best -- controversial in the South. Even in OTL, support for war was limited in the North until the Southern hotheads fired on Ft. Sumter and thus gave Lincoln an ideal pretext for action. I'm convinced that in the case of a Northern secession, Southern support for war would be considerably more limited still. After all, rather than the Yankees "betraying the legacy of Washington and Jefferson" being a reason for war to force them back in... wouldn't it more probably be explained as definitive proof that the Yankees were never "true" Americans to begin with? As in: "They were always half British to begin with! They betrayed the cause in the War of 1812 when they refused to fight, and they betrayed us again now. We're well rid of them all! Let them join the Canadians! I say, in a month's time they'll be licking the boots of King George again!"

Given these considerations, I think it makes considerable sense for the South to just let the North go. Far more so than it did for the North to let the South go in OTL.
 
For the NWUS access to the Delaware estuary is small beer compared with access to the Gulf of Mexico.
The Delaware matters only for Pennsylvania, whereas the Mississippi matters for half the country and over half of exports.
Helpfully the NWUS needs to negotiate with a single party about both :)
Access to the Pacific does not matter much, and before railroads - c.1870 - does not matter at all. Chicago and Great Lakes area industry and agriculture (95% of the population) cares about Mississippi, Eire Canal, St.Lawrence River, in that order. The Pacific Coast is relevant to 1% of the population and some flexing/far sighted politicos.
 
For the NWUS access to the Delaware estuary is small beer compared with access to the Gulf of Mexico.
The Delaware matters only for Pennsylvania, whereas the Mississippi matters for half the country and over half of exports.
Helpfully the NWUS needs to negotiate with a single party about both :)
Access to the Pacific does not matter much, and before railroads - c.1870 - does not matter at all. Chicago and Great Lakes area industry and agriculture (95% of the population) cares about Mississippi, Eire Canal, St.Lawrence River, in that order. The Pacific Coast is relevant to 1% of the population and some flexing/far sighted politicos.
Speaking logically, I agree fully with the assessment. As far as the Mississippi is concerned, though, I'm not sure they can realistically demand anything there. At best, they'd have to aim for a 'velvet divorce' and get good trade relations with the rump-USA. I'm not sure how plausible that is. Supposing an Era of Good Feelings after the two countries split, things could thaw quickly and there wouldn't be a problem. But what to do in the meantime?

The Erie Canal and the St. Lawrence are also in other countries. It's not pleasant to be too dependent on the good will of the neighbours. Although, of course, it makes for a strong incentive to get along with said neighbours! (Could access to the Erie Canal be one key motivation for closer ties with the North-East?)

I think that, even though it makes limited sense logically, they'd try to get some kind of assurance of sea access. Even if it's sub-optimal. And I do think that this would be perceived as more 'vital' of Britain takes Oregon. Even if the North-East can't actually do anything with Oregon yet, they'd still want to have it. The USA did in OTL, after all, and I project a North-Western secession happening around the same time as the Oregon Crisis in OTL. Thus, their position vis-à-vis Oregon would be the same as that of the USA in OTL. I expect them to attach some real measure of importance to it. In practice, they just won't be able to actually project any force there.

In short: they're in a bit of a bind. They've successfully split off, but now they face the prospect of being land-locked. What to do? The logical analysis is there, but are they thinking logically? And if they are, what options do they prioritise? The theoretical best option (Mississippi access) relies on the good will of the neighbour they are most likely to have a troubled relation with, at least initially. If Britain/Canada has just have nabbed Oregon, there may be hard feelings towards that side, too.

Well. If seceding was a cake-walk, everybody would do it, I suppose... ;)
 

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