For Honor Classes Ranking

[Husky_Khan]

So Youtuber 'Metatron' released a video recently ranking how formidable each of the twenty five classes in the medieval fighting game 'For Honor' were. The video itself is a smidgen under thirty minutes long and I found it entertaining and informative.



Of course he ranked them based on their weapons (many wielding swords as opposed to spears or bludgeoning weapons etc), armor (or often lack of), and their fitness, size, reach and much more. No real surprises but what do y'all think?

Those closest to well armored knights with non-sword weapons came out on top. No surprises there.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

So Youtuber 'Metatron' released a video recently ranking how formidable each of the twenty five classes in the medieval fighting game 'For Honor' were. The video itself is a smidgen under thirty minutes long and I found it entertaining and informative.



Of course he ranked them based on their weapons (many wielding swords as opposed to spears or bludgeoning weapons etc), armor (or often lack of), and their fitness, size, reach and much more. No real surprises but what do y'all think?

Those closest to well armored knights with non-sword weapons came out on top. No surprises there.

Does he take into account their canonical super-human stats?

 

[Husky_Khan]

No I don't think so. It's mostly just their armor and weapons and perceived strength and physical features as can be seen from their base models.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

No I don't think so. It's mostly just their armor and weapons and perceived strength and physical features as can be seen from their base models.

Of course.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yes of course. That's what it stated in the thumbnail, title and description of the video.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Yes of course. That's what it stated in the thumbnail, title and description of the video.

Sort of like saying "How strong would superman be in REAL LIFE" and answering "roughly as strong as Henry Cavil"

 

[Husky_Khan]

Sort of like saying "How strong would superman be in REAL LIFE" and answering "roughly as strong as Henry Cavil"

No. Nothing like that actually. I'm sorry my posting of the 'HEMAtard' video triggered you and that you have failed to comprehend the video while tens of thousands of others... pretty easily can understand the concept behind the video.

Was there anything else you wanted to say to shit up this thread or the forum in general?

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

'HEMAtard'

Hahahahaha I knew that would rustle someone's jimmies.

No. Nothing like that actually.

I mean, yes, exactly like that. "Lets take a look at magical characters and say who would be the strongest in real life, pretending like they're not magical"

What other thrilling insights are we in store for? Would Guts not be able to swing his sword if he didn't have super strength? A video about who the strongest avenger is if they were all ordinary humans?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hahahahaha I knew that would rustle someone's jimmies.

No it was linked to illustrate your hateboner for HEMA people on YouTube and how it triggers you almost as much as those who state they volunteer at charities.

I mean, yes, exactly like that. "Lets take a look at magical characters and say who would be the strongest in real life, pretending like they're not magical"

What other thrilling insights are we in store for? Would Guts not be able to swing his sword if he didn't have super strength? A video about who the strongest avenger is if they were all ordinary humans?

No Guts isn't in 'For Honor.'

And the insight gained from this video being used as a vehicle for discussion on things like medieval warriors or warfare is probably just as valid as any other forum 'versus' or fandom debate/analysis. Almost all 'Versus" or hypotheticals like this whether fictional or althistorical require a suspension of disbelief and there is plenty to analyze with the 'For Honor' character models that's independent of game mechanics, the fantastical parts of the game setting and more. It's rather matter of fact and seems to be easily grasped by plenty of people on YouTube and in fandom in general.

The fact that HEMA youtubers trigger you for some reason into flame baiting random people on the internet and shitting up their threads is kinda your own personal problem. If you don't get the idea behind the thread or more likely due to your hateboner for random YouTube genres that's really on you. Plenty of other people are able to separate things from the video game for geeky and nerdy analysis, like they do with other mediums or franchises. In this case what Metatron laid out as the basis for his analysis was stated pretty clearly.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

No it was linked to illustrate your hateboner for HEMA people on YouTube and how it triggers you almost as much as those who state they volunteer at charities.

Really am living in your head rent free, huh.

No Guts isn't in 'For Honor.'

hahahahaha holy shit, look at this guy and his stunning grasp of metaphors.

"Talking at length about For Honor superhumans with no acknowledgement of their superhuman powers is like talking about Guts with no acknowledgement of his superpowers"
"No it isnt, because Guts isnt in For Honor."

This is the hardest I've laughed in weeks.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Really am living in your head rent free, huh.

Yes. It's called memory.

hahahahaha holy shit, look at this guy and his stunning grasp of metaphors.

"Talking at length about For Honor superhumans with no acknowledgement of their superhuman powers is like talking about Guts with no acknowledgement of his superpowers"
"No it isnt, because Guts isnt in For Honor."

Yes they are different. Comparing Superman to Henry Cavill would be somewhat awkward and unnecessary, much like your exaggerated metaphors.

But you can look at the gear of a Valkyrie class with their spear and metal helmet or a Conqueror and their armor and weapons and physicality and compare and contrast them in an insightful manner while separating it from game mechanics or the more fantastical elements of the setting.

It's no more or less inherently ridiculous or difficult to do then any other versus debate or althistory analysis. Whether your calculating the destruction of asteroids in The Empire Strikes Back, or having Edward I's English Army have a showdown with Julius Caesars Army whilst in Gaul or fighting the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings. Or doing an ISOT or some other exercise in speculative fiction or althistory.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Yes. It's called memory.

It's called dickriding some other poster who isnt even here because you've got your panties in a twist over me, and you think that matters to anyone. Goodness what a pathetic display.

Yes they are different. Comparing Superman to Henry Cavill would be somewhat awkward and unnecessary

Like comparing a For Honor super-human to a vaguely, superficially similar human from the real world. The only difference is scale.

But you can look at the gear of a Valkyrie class with their spear and metal helmet or a Conqueror and their armor and weapons and physicality and compare and contrast them in an insightful manner while separating it from game mechanics or the more fantastical elements of the setting.

Just like you can look at the Avengers various physiques and weapons in an insightful manner while separating them from their "fantastical elements".

It's no more or less inherently ridiculous or difficult to do then any other versus debate or althistory analysis. Whether your calculating the destruction of asteroids in The Empire Strikes Back, or having Edward I's English Army have a showdown with Julius Caesars Army whilst in Gaul or fighting the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings. Or doing an ISOT or some other exercise in speculative fiction or althistory.

"Who would win in a fight between humans and Uruk Hai if the Uruk Hai were the same as humans". Awkward and unnecessary.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Like comparing a For Honor super-human to a vaguely, superficially similar human from the real world. The only difference is scale.

Well scale is important. At it's most basic that's why there's weight classes in many sports. Just stating there is "only" a difference in scale is really minimizing how vast scale can obviously be. Your just being obtuse now. There is far less 'scale' involved in comparing what you can see on a 'For Honor' character model in regards to their physicality, arms and armor then there is in comparing Superman on film to Henry Cavill. That scale is tremendous.

Just like you can look at the Avengers various physiques and weapons in an insightful manner while separating them from their "fantastical elements".

"Who would win in a fight between humans and Uruk Hai if the Uruk Hai were the same as humans". Awkward and unnecessary.

Of course you can.







Plenty of people found those topics insightful at least in video form. Of course it's only accessible when your open to suspending your disbelief as opposed to being intentionally obtuse and creating red herrings and strawmen and other silly metaphors.

And the term used in the video wasn't "same as humans" but 'REAL LIFE' which again, as stated before... requires a suspension of disbelief since oftentimes versus debates and related discussions requires a suspension of disbelief if your going to apply real world based analysis on anything fictional from turbolaser calcs to the efficacy of Wizarding spells or ISOT's and historical forcesubs.

 

[LordSunhawk]

Friendly greetings from the ever friendly Boot! The Boot has been drawn into this thread due to naughty naughty trolling and rule violations, and the Boot is not happy to be taken away from a lovely bootshine girl's tender ministrations. The Boot would like to remind everybody not to break the rules, 2b is in effect in every forum.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Well scale is important. At it's most basic that's why there's weight classes in many sports. Just stating there is "only" a difference in scale is really minimizing how vast scale can obviously be. Your just being obtuse now. There is far less 'scale' involved in comparing what you can see on a 'For Honor' character model in regards to their physicality, arms and armor then there is in comparing Superman on film to Henry Cavill. That scale is tremendous.

"1+1= 100 is less accurate than 1+1=3, therefore 1+1=3 isnt wrong anymore"
I know you're struggling with the concept, but try harder.

Plenty of people found those topics insightful at least in video form.

Plenty of people liked 50 shades of Grey.

Of course you can.

You can, obviously, but it's awkward and unnecessary, especially when it becomes an overwhelmingly ubiquitous personal lens.

Of course it's only accessible when your open to suspending your disbelief as opposed to being intentionally obtuse and creating red herrings and strawmen and other silly metaphors.

And the term used in the video wasn't "same as humans" but 'REAL LIFE' which again, as stated before... requires a suspension of disbelief since oftentimes versus debates and related discussions requires a suspension of disbelief if your going to apply real world based analysis on anything fictional from turbolaser calcs to the efficacy of Wizarding spells or ISOT's and historical forcesubs.

"Suspend your disbelief"
"refuse to acknowledge the super-powers that require a suspension of disbelief"
It's like you don't even know the phrases you're using.

You're literally describing the opposite of using analysis on turbolasers and wizarding spells, you're describing a process where you literally ignore the fantastical elements that are the necessary context of a thing. You are describing someone making a video titled "Which Harry Potter wizard would be the most powerful in real life" and spending the entire time talking about their various physiques and athletic backgrounds, not mentioning their magic.

No different in fundamental concept than ignoring Thor's superpowers, only different in scale.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Plenty of people liked 50 shades of Grey.

Yes people have different tastes that aren't in line with your own. The main difference between us is that while I am indifferent or ambivalent to most media and subject matter that I don't like, you actively troll with anyone who dares disagree with you in some juvenile exercise of self-fellation. Again, this is your problem. You are the one who is deciding to be petulant child when people not only disagree with you, but don't have the same tastes as you.

"1+1= 100 is less accurate than 1+1=3, therefore 1+1=3 isnt wrong anymore"
I know you're struggling with the concept, but try harder.

You can, obviously, but it's awkward and unnecessary, especially when it becomes an overwhelmingly ubiquitous personal lens.

"Suspend your disbelief"
"refuse to acknowledge the super-powers that require a suspension of disbelief"
It's like you don't even know the phrases you're using.

You're literally describing the opposite of using analysis on turbolasers and wizarding spells, you're describing a process where you literally ignore the fantastical elements that are the necessary context of a thing. You are describing someone making a video titled "Which Harry Potter wizard would be the most powerful in real life" and spending the entire time talking about their various physiques and athletic backgrounds, not mentioning their magic.

No different in fundamental concept than ignoring Thor's superpowers, only different in scale.

Actually no. For example you can analyze turbolasers without analyzing hyperspace... or particle shields. Likewise you can analyze the effects of an Inciendio spell while largely ignoring the WIzards physique and athletic background. Likewise it seems perfectly reasonable to analyse a For Honor character model without delving into the fantastical elements. It's been done in the video and on fandom forums and other communities. The fact that you are being willfully obtuse and obstinate about this doesn't change the fact that outside of you or beyond you, other people can analyse things without having to take in the whole character, setting, franchise or some other larger or more macro scale.

And again your scale metaphor seems more like a strawman then anything. I use a metaphor of weight classes in combat sports which is pretty grounded in reality and practicality and then you go to bad math and much like your 'metaphors' of Guts and Superman v. Henry Cavill or comparing the physicality of Harry Potter wizards, it seems more like an exercise in you being obtuse instead of actually discussing the issue you decided to participate in despite the fact you find it so triggering.

The fact you have the ability to make terrible strawmen metaphors in no way mitigates the fact that even though you may find the thread discussion or topic either incomprehensible, others are perfectly capable of engaging such discussions. Again the problem is with you, not the subject matter.

Yes I wouldn't create a thread comparing Superman based off of Henry Cavill's experience or a thread comparing the physicality of Harry Potterverse wizards because I think such threads would be uninteresting and ridiculous and I imagine that's why there aren't many discussions or popular Youtube videos discussing that as an example. But there are less ridiculous analysis that can be made, and one of them is 'For Honor' character models. The fact you loathe or spite them and everyone who enjoys them is besides the point that other people may (or may not) find it interesting.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Yes people have different tastes that aren't in line with your own.

Tastes can be shit.

The main difference between us is that while I am indifferent or ambivalent to most media and subject matter that I don't like, you actively troll with anyone who dares disagree with you in some juvenile exercise of self-fellation. Again, this is your problem. You are the one who is deciding to be petulant child when people not only disagree with you, but don't have the same tastes as you.

"I am indifferent"
*takes an attack on a youtuber as an attack on himself, cant go a single post without slinging shit and bringing up arguments from outside the thread*

You're not fooling anyone.

Actually no. For example you can analyze turbolasers without analyzing hyperspace... or particle shields.

Strawman, you cant analyze the weapons of a star destroyer while insisting the Turbolazers fire 80mm mortar shells from WW2. I mean you can, but it would be silly and obtuse.

And again your scale metaphor seems more like a strawman then anything. I use a metaphor of weight classes in combat sports which is pretty grounded in reality and practicality and then you go to bad math and much like your 'metaphors' of Guts and Superman v. Henry Cavill or comparing the physicality of Harry Potter wizards, it seems more like an exercise in you being obtuse instead of actually discussing the issue you decided to participate in despite the fact you find it so triggering.

I could give a used fig what it "seems like" to you, because you're wrong and obviously so.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Tastes can be shit.

Tastes can be tasty.

"I am indifferent"
*takes an attack on a youtuber as an attack on himself, cant go a single post without slinging shit and bringing up arguments from outside the thread*

You're not fooling anyone.

I said if I encounter media or subject matter I don't like, I'm ambivalent to it at best. I don't invest myself in the thread or topic to be intentionally provocative or otherwise insulting. Maybe if you actually read the post that you quoted out of context you would've understood that.

The main difference between us is that while I am indifferent or ambivalent to most media and subject matter that I don't like, you actively troll with anyone who dares disagree with you in some juvenile exercise of self-fellation. Again, this is your problem. You are the one who is deciding to be petulant child when people not only disagree with you, but don't have the same tastes as you.

See... nothing about me being ambivalent to HEMA or For Honor... I specifically stated I was ambivalent to media and subject matter that I don't like... unlike you.

Strawman, you cant analyze the weapons of a star destroyer while insisting the Turbolazers fire 80mm mortar shells from WW2. I mean you can, but it would be silly and obtuse.

Yes this is a strawman. It's yet another of your ridiculous metaphors along with Guts and Henry Cavill/Superman comparisons and your math problems. I can see why you want to ignore scale. It'd hamper having to actually put effort in proper metaphors and strawmen.

I could give a used fig what it "seems like" to you, because you're wrong and obviously so.

Of course you don't give a used fig about my opinion, your conduct in this thread is basically illustrating that you don't care about any opinions or subject matters that aren't in line with your personal tastes. But by all means continue to parrot your own opinion and make your declarations. If anyone is actually interested in reading this, I'm sure they can draw their own conclusions.

It's pretty clear I'm not fooling anyone with my obvious wrongness. I am waiting in trepidation for the next volley of ridiculous metaphorical strawmen, juvenile needling and more parroting of your personal opinion in lieu of actual discussion that'll drive your point home, whatever that point is at this juncture.