Fallout Perpetual Debate of Bethesda Versus Interplay/Obsidian Fallout World Design

[Scooby Doo]

It's great that you enjoy Fallout so much, but you really need to beat Fallout 1.

So what's this about Bethesda writing being so trash when Pre-Bethestha writers have

-Retarded Tribals in Honest Hearts
-Miraculous Depo's that were never touched or raided
-Super friendly high tech societies propping society up as every threat is handled by a Chosen One before it could negatively effect their population?
Or how six guys in motorcycle helmets can kill an entire village of Super mutants?

Sounds like some bad inconsistent writing to me ngl

:v

I dare say Bethesda tier writing

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

So what's this about Bethesda writing being so trash when Pre-Bethestha writers have

-Retarded Tribals in Honest Hearts
-Miraculous Depo's that were never touched or raided
-Super friendly high tech societies propping society up as every threat is handled by a Chosen One before it could negatively effect their population?
Or how six guys in motorcycle helmets can kill an entire village of Super mutants?

Sounds like some bad inconsistent writing to me ngl

:v

I dare say Bethesda tier writing

You really should play and beat Fallout 1, it's a great game.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Fallout bible is hardly canon, so we can discount that tidbit.

Oh then it's even worse in your argument because according to Fallout 2 they left their vault 2 years after the nukes went off

😂

"{216}{lyn020}{What you heard was incorrect. Our archives are quite clear: our vault received the all-clear signal two years after being sealed.}"
The Chosen One: "{217}{}{The "all-clear" signal? From where?}"
Joanne Lynette: "{223}{lyn021}{Why... from surface monitors, I suppose. I am certain there were sensors monitoring the environment. How else would the Overseer have known when it was safe to leave?}"
The Chosen One: "{225}{}{So... the order to leave the vault came from the Overseer?}"

So yeah multiple vaults opening up conveniently to help the West Coast despite them should have failed but guess Plot armor huh?

You really should play and beat Fallout 1, it's a great game.

I'm not playing something that has graphics worse than Fallout 3.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I'm not playing something that has graphics worse than Fallout 3.

It's a good game with good RPG mechanics and a good blend of level and equipment based progression. Not really any games like it, anymore.

Oh then it's even worse in your argument because according to Fallout 2 they left their vault 2 years after the nukes went off

😂

>Order to leave
That doesn't mean they went all-in for construction outside, it could mean anything without further context. In any case Vault city was isolationist, not even in FO1, and has no impact on the other cities of FO1.
We're talking about FO1 remember? The first game, the start of the series? That one?

 

[Scooby Doo]

It's a good game with good RPG mechanics and a good blend of level and equipment based progression. Not really any games like it, anymore.

No not really, extremely dated.

>Order to leave
That doesn't mean they went all-in for construction outside, it could mean anything without further context. In any case Vault city was isolationist, not even in FO1, and has no impact on the other cities of FO1.
We're talking about FO1 remember? The first game, the start of the series? That one?

Nope by time line it existed and was trading with other settlements even providing medicine which would drastically effect the society of the wastes when you have a giant ass vault giving top of the line healing just two years after the Bombs fail.

We were talking about FO1 timeline in which Vault 8 was open and trading just a few years after the bombs fell

Looks like FO1 writing isn't all you chalked it up to be, not the perfect logical setting you thought it was. I dare say it's logic is worse than Bethesda's

I mean really, it's as if the apocalypse never happened in FO1 just ample amounts of weapons and resources that would have been looted and stripped clean years ago, at least Bethesda's excuse was radiation.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

No not really, extremely dated.

Do you even like FO1 or 2 lmao?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Do you even like FO1 or 2 lmao?

I like Fallout New Vegas

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I like Fallout New Vegas

That's not an answer to my question, it needs a yes or a no.

 

[Scooby Doo]

That's not an answer to my question, it needs a yes or a no.

I like Fallout 2
🤷

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I like Fallout 2
🤷

Well that's a start, what do you like in it?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well that's a start, what do you like in it?

The Enclave

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The Enclave

What about them exactly? Ingame they're somewhat of a powercreep over Supermutants but that's to be expected in a sequel that ups the ante.

 

[Scooby Doo]

What about them exactly? Ingame they're somewhat of a powercreep over Supermutants but that's to be expected in a sequel that ups the ante.

It actually makes sense the government would be well more prepared for the Apoc than random Hobo's that consisted of the NCR, honestly that's what they did right but it's probably the worst writing pre Bethesda writing when they destroyed the West Coast Enclave.

Like oh the Enclave just let those weapon depos sit there when in reality that shit would have been scrapped before the nukes hit or before the vault doors opened. Does make sense to have an oil rig as a base and train their recruits in T-51B armor. Being the only faction with air power was a nice touch to with the power dynamics

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It actually makes sense the government would be well more prepared for the Apoc than random Hobo's that consisted of the NCR, honestly that's what they did right but it's probably the worst writing pre Bethesda writing when they destroyed the West Coast Enclave.

Like oh the Enclave just let those weapon depos sit there when in reality that shit would have been scrapped before the nukes hit or before the vault doors opened. Does make sense to have an oil rig as a base and train their recruits in T-51B armor. Being the only faction with air power was a nice touch to with the power dynamics

To be fair, you 'did' play FO2 right? Where they did raid the mariposa army facility? <;3
IIRC a lot of information on where various depots were, was lost when the bombs dropped, sierra (containing Skynet) was relatively unknown for example.

 

[Scooby Doo]

To be fair, you 'did' play FO2 right? Where they did raid the mariposa army facility? <;3
IIRC a lot of information on where various depots were, was lost when the bombs dropped, sierra (containing Skynet) was relatively unknown for example.

They should have never had enough weapons to be able to raid the mariposa facility in the first place. Any small invasion force that was not large enough to be detected would have been destroyed by superior Enclave tactics and equipment.

Any large enough force to make that equipment irrelevant due to sheer quantity would have been kited and picked apart by Verti Bird squadrons or worse case scenario the base would have gotten the scorched Earth treatment.

Just shit writing to make the the Enclave hold the idiot ball when they should have won 🤷

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

They should have never had enough weapons to be able to raid the mariposa facility in the first place. Any small invasion force that was not large enough to be detected would have been destroyed by superior Enclave tactics and equipment.

Any large enough force to make that equipment irrelevant due to sheer quantity would have been kited and picked apart by Verti Bird squadrons or worse case scenario the base would have gotten the scorched Earth treatment.

Just shit writing to make the the Enclave hold the idiot ball when they should have won 🤷

Wasn't the Enclave stuck to a single oil rig and a small coastal base? They needed more weapons. They were so desperate for numbers they even made intelligent deathclaws to fill the ranks.

I also don't believe vertibirds are armed as of FO2, at least I don't recall that being mentioned.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Wasn't the Enclave stuck to a single oil rig and a small coastal base?

Which is retarded after 150+ years lol
Leadership.
Irl less militarized secret service are 7,000+ and you're telling me the Enclave somehow ended up having less manpower than a bunch of Hobo's and descendants from upper middle class America.

They needed more weapons.

Which they should have had in excess from storage before the bombs dropped, they could have done this by relocating the weapons from all the military bases the NCR got their weapons from.

How the fuck did the US government not have enough weapons but bumfuck hobo's have enough for 700,000?

They were so desperate for numbers they even made intelligent deathclaws to fill the ranks.

Intelligent Deathclaws would have been cool as an expendable elite CQC force but having to use it to support your dwindling numbers again is stupid writing.

I also don't believe vertibirds are armed as of FO2, at least I don't recall that being mentioned.

If that's the case FO2 writing is dead ass worse than Bethesda writing.

How the fuck does the US Military have military choppers without guns after preparing for the Apocalypse for decades?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Which is retarded after 150+ years lol
Leadership.
Irl less militarized secret service are 7,000+ and you're telling me the Enclave somehow ended up having less manpower than a bunch of Hobo's and descendants from upper middle class America.

They're a super reclusive small group of survivors, so yeah I could believe they'd be very limited in number. The canonical number in FO2 seems to make them be less than 200 personel, and that's optimistic as well.

How the fuck does the US Military have military choppers without guns after preparing for the Apocalypse for decades?

Vertibirds are post-war constructions IIRC, so why would a resource stricken Enclave with power armor lads need choppers with guns, when their ground forces are sufficient? They're transport choppers, not gunships.

 

[Scooby Doo]

They're a super reclusive small group of survivors, so yeah I could believe they'd be very limited in number. The canonical number in FO2 seems to make them be less than 200 personel, and that's optimistic as well.

They're not super reclusive they're the United States fucking Government. Ain't no way there's more tribal people using spears that didn't even prep for the end of the world than there is a Government that literally prepared for years

You're telling me the Enclave couldn't afford a handful of Vaults for their own people?

Shit writing is shit.

Vertibirds are post-war constructions IIRC,

They're not they were in a prototype stage during the battle of Anchorage so they had years to put a fucking gun on its chin 😂

so why would a resource stricken Enclave with power armor lads need choppers with guns,

Why wouldn't you want your dropship have the ability to defend itself?

That's like saying the US Government should save money by removing all Vulcan cannons from any helicopter equivalent to save resources 💀

when their ground forces are sufficient? They're transport choppers, not gunships.

They're a combination of both at least they are in Fallout 3 where the Enclave aren't forced to be as retarded in their decisions as they are in Fallout 2.


"Let's build a bunch of expensive prototype type helicopters that are no different than regular helicopters" 🤡 -Fallout 2

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

They're not super reclusive they're the United States fucking Government. Ain't no way there's more tribal people using spears that didn't even prep for the end of the world than there is a Government that literally prepared for years

You're telling me the Enclave couldn't afford a handful of Vaults for their own people?

Shit writing is shit.

You seem to really get a hardon for criticizing the writing of FO2 lmao, I am wondering if you'll pop some blood vessels down there in regards to later titles.
So what if they're the US government? Everyone got nuked to hell and back, maybe the government vaults were specifically targetted? Maybe they weren't built in time, any number of reasons. We don't have context, all we know is Enclave are very low in number, but very very powerful individually.

They're not they were in a prototype stage during the battle of Anchorage so they had years to put a fucking gun on its chin 😂


Why wouldn't you want your dropship have the ability to defend itself?

That's like saying the US Government should save money by removing all Vulcan cannons from any helicopter equivalent to save resources 💀

Eh? There's no Anchorage in FO2. It's a post-war design. What would the dropship even be defending itself from when it's armored against rifle-fire and is full of angry Enclave dudes in armor? It's a glorified Huey, not an Apache.

They're a combination of both at least they are in Fallout 3 where the Enclave aren't forced to be as retarded in their decisions as they are in Fallout 2.


"Let's build a bunch of expensive prototype type helicopters that are no different than regular helicopters" 🤡 -Fallout 2

Enclave have a 'bug like' appearance for all their gear, thus the helicopters are overdesigned as well.