Devils Advocate: Debate Your Polar Ideology

FriedCFour

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I think a good exercise for being able to debate well is to be able to argue a position you don’t hold as well as someone who does hold it. Understanding their positions as well a you do your own is essential to then deconstructing it, so in this thread pick an ideology you don’t hold and put forward those arguments or feel free to attack them with your own positions. I’ll start with Orthodox Marxism.

All history is ultimately the history of the economic, of the bourgeois and the proletariat, the lords and the serfs, the plebeian and the senators. It is a pattern repeated throughout of elites leeching from the labor of the working class to support their lifestyles. In this era of capitalism however, the elite itself has shrunken to such a low number controlling so much that the proletariat will eventually be able to subsume them. It is not a question of whether or not we should have communism, but only a question of when shall the working class gain enough class consciousness to overthrow the oppressor class. It is not even an ideal or a philosophy, but merely a scientific analysis of the reality of the human condition, and the inevitability of what will be produced by the inevitable march of history.

feel free to post your own arguments against that of either what you believe or attack it from any ideology you want, make your own starting post from the perspective of any ideology you want. Just please try your best to make it as close to what those who support it actually believe.
 
I’ll bite.

Marxism is fundamentally true.

It is based on a cold scientific analysis of how history works and how human beings behave shorn of any preconceived Idealism.

The struggle between classes is based upon the division of surplus value-extracted from the slaves, proletariat or peasantry.

Ideology, religion and the like all serve as the “superstructure” which reinforces the economic base of the social system. But it also influences the base.

Being dialectical—Marxism understands the world as it is-moving and changing and not in a didactic mechanistic way. A can become B, it does not remain A.

This does not mean revolution is inevitable, but the Marxist analysis of capitalist society is borne out by every crisis and every time the working class has its wealth extracted to go to the Bourgeois.

Edit: Sorry, didn’t see you did Marxism too.
 
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