Campaigns of John Hunyadi and Matthias Corvinus

[Aldarion]

This is a three-parter covering the campaigns of John Hunyadi, campaigns of Matthias Corvinus and lastly the organization of the army they both used.

Campaigns of John Hunyadi

Introduction Kingdom of Hungary and Croatia had provided a continuous defense of Western Europe against Ottoman expansion from Battle of Nicopolis in 1396. until Battle of Mohacs in 1526. During th…

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Campaigns of Matthias Corvinus

After death of John Hunyadi, his enemies decided to use the opportunity. Ulrich of Celje saw an opportunity to become the most influential magnate of the kingdom, while vain and small-minded king L…

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Army of John Hunyadi and Matthias Corvinus

Recruitment and organization John Hunyadi Both Hunyadis utilized army which was a combination of mercenaries and feudal banderia (banners – Exercitus Banderialis). Occassionally the army would be s…

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[ATP]

This is a three-parter covering the campaigns of John Hunyadi, campaigns of Matthias Corvinus and lastly the organization of the army they both used.

Campaigns of John Hunyadi

Introduction Kingdom of Hungary and Croatia had provided a continuous defense of Western Europe against Ottoman expansion from Battle of Nicopolis in 1396. until Battle of Mohacs in 1526. During th…

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Campaigns of Matthias Corvinus

After death of John Hunyadi, his enemies decided to use the opportunity. Ulrich of Celje saw an opportunity to become the most influential magnate of the kingdom, while vain and small-minded king L…

warfantasy.wordpress.com

Army of John Hunyadi and Matthias Corvinus

Recruitment and organization John Hunyadi Both Hunyadis utilized army which was a combination of mercenaries and feudal banderia (banners – Exercitus Banderialis). Occassionally the army would be s…

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Interesting.In my opinion,Habsburg fucked it all - first,fighting with Corvinus,and later betraing hungarians in 1526,and taking over remnants.

Althought,polish Kings do not helped,too - during 1444 Varna battle our King suicidal charge lost battle which could be win.
Later,we fought hungarians when we should fight Moscov and save Great Nowogrod.

And,after Corvinus death,Jagielonnian Kings fucked hungarian army - althought it was hungarian nobles fault,too.
Do not helping in 1526 - we do not have standing army,and our levies probably would not fare better then hungarians,so - not our fault then.

 

[Aldarion]

Interesting.In my opinion,Habsburg fucked it all - first,fighting with Corvinus,and later betraing hungarians in 1526,and taking over remnants.

Althought,polish Kings do not helped,too - during 1444 Varna battle our King suicidal charge lost battle which could be win.
Later,we fought hungarians when we should fight Moscov and save Great Nowogrod.

And,after Corvinus death,Jagielonnian Kings fucked hungarian army - althought it was hungarian nobles fault,too.
Do not helping in 1526 - we do not have standing army,and our levies probably would not fare better then hungarians,so - not our fault then.

If you read "From Nicopolis to Mohacs", author believes that Jagellon kings did not in fact "fuck Hungarian army", but rather that the Ottomans were simply too strong. If anything, it was just as much Matthias' fault for disengaging from the Ottoman front, thus allowing them easier conquest of Balkan countries - many of whom were Hungarian vassals previously - than would otherwise have been the case.

 

[ATP]

If you read "From Nicopolis to Mohacs", author believes that Jagellon kings did not in fact "fuck Hungarian army", but rather that the Ottomans were simply too strong. If anything, it was just as much Matthias' fault for disengaging from the Ottoman front, thus allowing them easier conquest of Balkan countries - many of whom were Hungarian vassals previously - than would otherwise have been the case.

That,too.
Imagine what if Poland engage in great Novagrod,not Hungary,and Hungary captured Constantinopole,not Vienna - both countries could be superpowers till our times.

 

[Buba]

Habsburgs betraing hungarians in 1526

Pray tell how?

 

[ATP]

Pray tell how?

Both Poland and Austria was Hungary allies,and as such should send army to help them.

Poland do not have standing army,and our levies probably would fail there even if we send them,but austrians had good standing army - and failed to send them.

 

[Buba]

Did HUngary ask for those armies?
Weren't the Habsburgs busy at war with France, an Ottoman ally?

 

[ATP]

Did HUngary ask for those armies?
Weren't the Habsburgs busy at war with France, an Ottoman ally?

They do not need to ask,when they were attacked they should get help.
And,those armies fought french in Italy - easy way to get them to Hungary.Pope send 2000 mercaneries,all help he could deliver.
Nobody else send anything.Armies from Czech failed to come,just like from Transylwania.

It seems as one big betrayal orchestrated by Habsburgs.

 

[Aldarion]

Did HUngary ask for those armies?
Weren't the Habsburgs busy at war with France, an Ottoman ally?

They do not need to ask,when they were attacked they should get help.
And,those armies fought french in Italy - easy way to get them to Hungary.Pope send 2000 mercaneries,all help he could deliver.
Nobody else send anything.Armies from Czech failed to come,just like from Transylwania.

It seems as one big betrayal orchestrated by Habsburgs.

Poland did in fact help, as did Archduke Ferdinand of Habsburg; Habsburg Emperor himself (Charles V at the time) did diddly squat.

From Nicopolis to Mohacs:

King Louis ii and his government still had not given up hope of obtaining assistance from abroad. New letters were dispatched to the Pope and to Venice, and envoys were sent to the royal courts of France and England, as well as to Emperor Charles v. King Louis wanted to persuade Henry viii of England to act as mediator between Francis i and Charles. Queen Mary also intervened with her brothers, Charles and Ferdinand of Habsburg. As usual, such appeals for help fell on deaf ears; only the king's uncle King Sigismund of Poland and his brother-in-law Archduke Ferdinand of Habsburg proved willing to offer military assistance. The former promised to send footmen to his nephew, while the latter also undertook to dispatch 3,000 infantry and some artillery and to mobilize the Inner Austrian estates to help the Hungarians if necessary.53

Poland also attempted to negotiate a peace treaty between Ottomans and Hungary:

Having already concluded a truce with the Ottomans, and probably realizing the fatal weakness of her former ally, Venice refused to overtly aid Hungary against the Turks and, in a clear indication of the latter country's changed status, downgraded the Serenissima's representation at the Buda court. Poland, menaced by both the Tatars and the Muscovites, followed the Venetian example by concluding a truce with the sultan in 1525 from which the king of Hungary was excluded, despite the best intentions of the Polish negotiators – indeed, King Sigismund could only suggest to his nephew that he, too, should individually petition Sü- leyman for peace.193

But it went nowhere.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Emperor Charles V did have a lot going on at the time.

I mean more than usual in regards to your standard Emperor. They were always busy after all.

 

[Buba]

It seems as one big betrayal orchestrated by Habsburgs.

I am beginning to suspect that you might have some Habsburg phobia ...
In Germany hersey was running amok - keeping Ferdinand busy, while in Italy Charles was busy with the Italian general mess and the Pope. Next year was to bring the Sack of Rome ...

 

[ATP]

I am beginning to suspect that you might have some Habsburg phobia ...
In Germany hersey was running amok - keeping Ferdinand busy, while in Italy Charles was busy with the Italian general mess and the Pope. Next year was to bring the Sack of Rome ...

Yes.They had army for sacking Rome,but not for helping Hungary.All he need was to stop fighting in Italy,and send landsknechts to Buda.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yes.They had army for sacking Rome,but not for helping Hungary.All he need was to stop fighting in Italy,and send landsknechts to Buda.

Charles was also dealing with the New World, the Muslim Corsairs ravaging the Spanish and Italian Coasts and the fact that France existed in addition to the Protestant Reformation and what was going on in the Balkans. The 1520's alone were probably one of the most impactful and momentous decades in Western (and elsewhere) History.

 

[ATP]

Charles was also dealing with the New World, the Muslim Corsairs ravaging the Spanish and Italian Coasts and the fact that France existed in addition to the Protestant Reformation and what was going on in the Balkans. The 1520's alone were probably one of the most impactful and momentous decades in Western (and elsewhere) History.

Still do not explain why he do not send at least part of his army.
Poland could be explained,we do not had army then.Althought King could send his personal guard.