Movies Bond, James Bond Thread

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With No Time to Die finally releasing at the end of September in Britain and on October 8th in the United States and potentially never ever in Australia thanks to perpetual lockdowns, and to start this thread on a positive note after all of the negative buzz potentially surrounding the new Bond 25 film, I'll initiative the conversation by asking what you all feel are your favorite Bond films over the ages.

There have been twenty five films in the official Bond series, or twenty six if you include the 'non-Eon' film made by Jason Schwartzmann which is 1983's Never Say Never Again or twenty seven films if you include the chaotic production of 1967's Casino Royale which had FIVE different Directors and twelve different screenwriters (which is a bit exceptional back in those days) which I never bothered seeing.

But I have seen the other Bond films, all of them and to start off the conversation, what are my top Five Bond films?

1. Goldfinger (1964): This is a tricky one. Sean Connery is James Bond, at least on film. But there's three great Connery Bond films, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger and Thunderball. But Goldfinger kind of put all of the elements of the Bond movies together while still keeping that almost lighthearted action spy thriller tone. It had Sean Connery in his third Bond film doing a great job, a great villain in Auric Goldfinger with a complete villainous mania and iconic style and look. It had lots of cool gadgets including the iconic Aston-Martin DB-5, the shoe homing beacon and some great villain gadgets as well like the Laser Cannon used in the memorable interrogation scene and Oddjob's razor sharp hat. Great story and plot involving RED CHINA and irradiating Fort Knox and some iconic characters like Pussy Galore and Oddjob as well.

Another important thing about this film is that it's not nearly as 'gritty' or grounded or whatnot like literally every other film on this list. It just had that perfect mix of espionage, action, romance, gadgets and supervillainy and more. And a great mook battle at the end as well, which is what I really loved about the early Bond films. It was really a template for later films ranging from Thunderball (and thus Never Say Never Again) to Moonraker and even stuff like Tomorrow Never Dies with the crazy villainous superwealthy mastermind.

2. From Russia With Love (1963): For everyone that praises the Brosnan or Craig or even Dalton films as being more hard boiled spy films and the like, Sean Connery did it first with the second movie in the franchise. From Russia With Love is that movie. It takes place during the height of the Cold War in Istanbul, Turkey and later through the breadth of the Balkans with James Bond being tasked to steal a Lektor decoding machine from a Soviet Embassy but surprise, it's all part of a master plan by SPECTRE to help weaken and foment more discord between both of the Superpowers so they can take over. The first half of the movie is a great 1960's era spy thriller full of action and intrigue and as it builds up one of the most ironic villains in Bond history and like Goldfinger above, a template for later Bond "enforcer" style villains who tended to be tall blonde hitman types. Red Grant, a tall blonde and professional assassin who is Bond's equal or superior in almost every capacity. He plays Bond like a fiddle through most of the film and the final confrontation they have is one of the better fight scenes in the series. He even has a cool gadget in the form of a garrote watch.

There's also a great Bond Girl here in Tatiana, a Russian defector unknowingly being manipulated by SPECTRE and fancy technology like pagers, hidden tape recorders, a collapsible sniper rifle and Rosa Klebb's (whose memorable in her own right) poisoned boot knife. The best gadget of course though... is Bond's Attache Case.

3. Casino Royale (2006): Sometimes I wonder if this is the best Bond film. Daniel Craig saved the franchise with this first outing and updated hte Bond formula to the modern day in a way that the earlier Brosnan film like the really ungood Die Another Day completely missed on. Despite not being supposedly suave (or dark haired) Daniel Craig's blonde, blue eyed Bond with the look of a prizefighting boxer proved perfectly suave and classy in his Casino scenes and was also easily credible in all of the action scenes as well (I remember him running through drywall in the initial action scene). The backdrop of the main plot taking place in a Casino during a poker tournament was a great change of pace after the opening action filled investigation scenes. Le Chiffre was actually a great villain as well. he was different then most Bond villains and yet still had great presence and the torture he puts Bond through in the end was... wincing for many I'm assuming.

Plus the rest of the cast was great as well. Felix Lighter from the CIA, and Judi Dench's M reprised her role. Rene Mathis as Bond's ally and portrayed brilliantly by Giancarlo Giannini. But this film might've had the best Bond girl ever in Eva Green's Vesper Lynd. She was perfectly cast for the role and perfectly written. Vesper was a fully fleshed out Bond girl who unlike some of my favorite Bond Girls, didn't have to engage in many physical or action scenes to 'validate' her worth on screen as a character. But she was still a powerful presence in the film and the two leads sold their budding and building relationship up very well in the span of a single movie. It was a great romance and probably the best one in the entire film series.

Above all Casino Royale seemed to save the moribund franchise in an era of tv series like 24 or movie rivals like Jason Bourne without sacrificing too much of what makes a Bond film a Bond film.

4. License to Kill (1989): Timothy Dalton's second and final Bond film I feel was greatly underestimated in quality (and Dalton as a Bond underrated overall). It is definitely a more focused story. There's no world domination plans here but just a revenge story against a very well portrayed Drug Cartel leader portrayed amazingly by Robert Davi. After the Drug Lord brutally attacks his friend and ally Felix Lighter, Bond goes rogue after the Cartel intent on revenge. It's a gritty and intense story but doesn't lose itself in the grimness as it still maintains an engaging atmosphere in the film. It's heavy on brief bouts of action and lots of manipulation and intrigue as Dalton's Bond manages to play the odds right and work his way into the Cartel to destroy it.

The film also has some great and memorable scenes, not the least the rather shocking scene of feeding someone to a shark, or another person being executed by Robert Davi's Druglord Frank Sanchez by being exploded inside of a depressurization chamber. There's great action scenes including Bond engaging in a midair airplane hijacking, an attack on a police convoy on a bridge (shades of True Lies) and even a scene with a ninjas (or their Hong Kong equivalent). Cool gadgets too including plastic explosive toothpasge, a laser beam camera and another camera that can be reassembled into a sniper rifle. It also has one of the best Bond girls in the series with Pam Bouvier whose both capable and beautiful. She steals every scene and even James Bond has to do a double take the first time he sees her (again). And Robert Davi's Frank Sanchez, despite his master plan being distributing a few hundred million in cocaine and blackmailing the US with Stinger missiles being somewhat underwhelming, is still one of the best villains of the series.

5. Goldeneye (1995): Just like Casino Royale later, Goldeneye was the first Bond film in six years and was seen as a film that helped rescue the franchise and making it relevant in a post-Cold War era. It can be seen in how much of the films iconic settings and characters are based around the Russian Federation so soon after the breakup of the Soviet Union or from the new female M calling Brosnan a "sexist, misogynist dinosaur. A relic of the Cold War." Pierce Brosnan might've been the best cast Bond ever with the exception of the original, being suave and sophisticated and still having a physical presence to kickass. Plus this film still had gadgets and great Bond Girls (and Bond Girl villains) and a suitably epic plot involving an old Soviet-era satellite capable of launching EMP blasts that can knock countries (namely Britain) back into the Stone Age.

Natalya Simonova was a great Bond girl (and one of the first female hackers featured in movies) but also shining were the villains. Xenia Onatopp is never going to be forgotten as Famke Janssen crushed the role. And Sean Bean's Alec Trevelyan as a rival former Double O Agent is easily one of the best villains in the Bond series, almost like an evil-Bond analogue but far more fleshed out then the 'Red Grant' archetype that populated movies so much as to be a cliche. The real tragedy is that none of Brosnan's subsequent three films really came close to Goldeneye in quality.

Y'all got any favorites when it comes to Bond films? Or Bond portrayals? Or Bond Girls, Gadgets, Cars, Villains etc?
 
Agree with @DarthOne, I'm a fan of Fleming's writing.

As far as gadgets, I think my favorite is the Flamethrower Bagpipe from The World is Not Enough. Gadgets were rarer and less used in the Pierce Brosnan era than other Bonds and having one so goofy and silly in a Brosnan film stood out to me a lot.
 
I hope whoever comes after Craig, returns Bond to his older roots of being a gentleman with a sense of humour and excellent charming manners and charisma to boot. Craig's Bond while good, was always too rough in the edges, lacked the charismatic gentleman and didn't have a sense of humour like Connery's, Moore's and Brosnan's Bonds had. I miss those Bonds.

I also hope Bond films go back to having villains with more megalomaniac plans as opposed to the very grounded and boring plans the Bond villains in Craig's films had. Because that's what made Bond films memorable and distinguishable from other action films.
 
I hope whoever comes after Craig, returns Bond to his older roots of being a gentleman with a sense of humour and excellent charming manners and charisma to boot. Craig's Bond while good, was always too rough in the edges, lacked the charismatic gentleman and didn't have a sense of humour like Connery's, Moore's and Brosnan's Bonds had. I miss those Bonds.

I also hope Bond films go back to having villains with more megalomaniac plans as opposed to the very grounded and boring plans the Bond villains in Craig's films had. Because that's what made Bond films memorable and distinguishable from other action films.

You weren't thrilled with the plot of stealing all of the water rights in Bolivia? Or... what was the master plan in Spectre? I don't even remember. Something about intelligence sharing... No offense to Director Sam Mendes. I think he blew his load on Skyfall and just didn't have anything left in the tank for Spectre.

The Craig Bond humor was definitely downgraded for the last three films. I actually thought he did a good job in Casino Royale overall to be honest, including with the charisma and humor.

But there has been a lack of villainous megalomania.
 
Saw Bond 25, No Time to Die or whatever it's called and it was... okay.

Right off the bat, I don't think the concerns of Bond somehow being marginalized for strong Black female alternatives ever panned out. The female characters in this film never eclipse Bond in any way or form in the film and in fact the much feared 'Black 007' doesn't dominate the film (or Bond) anymore then say Halle Berry, Michelle Yeoh, Barbara Bach or Carey Lowell as generally capable females in a Bond film. The film has Bond as the main protaganist and he dominates the screentime, the focus of the film and general badassery. There's no passing of the torch or scenes of Female Power overcoming the aging toxic male dinosaur.

He's still a womanizer and flirts with Women happily.

The acting here is top notch. Daniel Craig, even in crappier Bond films, does a good job and he does here. Lashana Lynch was fine. Lea Seydoux, Rami Malek, Ben Whishaw and Jeffrey Wright did all great jobs. Craig is fun and everything that made him a good Bond can be seen in his performance here. Humor and wit and physicality and presence and suaveness etc. The real standout in this film is actually Ana de Armas as a CIA Agent in Cuba who takes a really shallow role and makes it fun and interesting to watch onscreen. She does a great job in her act with Bond and looks and performs great.

Most of the action scenes are good of course with great stunts and cool gadgets and firefights but nothing really stands out to me. Some of them though, like a shootout that takes place in Cuba, has some disjointed bits with humor interjected in it to the point it felt like an MCU movie or something that was kinda eyebrow raising. However there was also a long shot action scene which was really well done of Daniel Craig fighting his way up a tower and dispatching of numerous bad guys with a mix of gunplay and hand to hand combat which was pretty cool and the standout scene.

The villains seem mostly disposable and there aren't any memorable encounters. Rami Malek does a great job as a Dioxin scarred ideological villain whose megalomania seems to be on the world shaping level of that of say a Hugo Drax (of Moonraker) or Karl Stromberg (of The Spy Who Loved Me) but then towards the end, he seems to have this vision but it really is really sold by the plot. Ultimately he's just another arms smuggler... only a well acted and visually distinctive one with moments of creepiness. He didn't really impact me.

Neither did any of the goons. Christopher Waltz was actually great in his scene returning as Blofeld and acted opposite of Daniel Craig's Bond in a single intensely dramatic scene. He was a better Blofeld here (and better used) in this film then the last one. But it didn't really lead to anything. In fact the whole middle of this film I feel could've been trimmed up since the movie is like two and a half hours long. Also the 'henchmen' villains were extremely disappointing. One of them who had a somewhat amusing quirk/behavior was mildly interesting, and the other villain, a Spectre Hitman, was pretty blah and yet still kept showing up to get his ass beat.

Gadget wise, there's an old school Aston-Martin Bond car in the opening, complete with bulletproofing, caltrop dispensers and machine guns located behind the headlights. A watch that delivers an EMP. A stealth flying plane/submersible. Oh and magnetic descenders which was neat. But the gadgets are pretty limited overall.

The movie seemed to have all of the elements for being a good Bond film but none of them hit the mark. This was meant to be an emotional movie. This is Daniel Craig's last outing as Bond and a culmination of all of the previous movies building up to this point. Everything from the villains and love interests of Casino Royale are referenced here but the buildup to the final climax is meant to be hitting me on a dramatic or emotional level... but none of it hit me. You see this amazing locales, shocking discoveries, beloved characters dying and the film tries to make you feel for it but I never did. NONE of the emotional beats actually worked or impacted me. I felt more impact and emotion watching the alien invasion movie The Tomorrow War with Chris Pratt then watching this movie and considering what happens in this movie and the stakes involved, that almost ruined the movie for me.

Ultimately it was a serviceable action or Bond movie but not a good one. It tried to have more depth and resonance but ended up just as pure vanilla. I'm guessing this is a fault of the Director? The movie had potential but fell short of it and never connected with me like Casino Royale or even Skyfall did.
 
A group of friends pooled together three thousand bucks to purchase the Neptune, the submarine prop used in the James Bond movie For Your Eyes Only almost thirty years ago. They didn't know it then, but it was the start of the 'Ian Fleming Foundation' and their growing collection of over forty iconic Bond movie vehicles.


The vehicles, on a rotational basis, are housed in a large aircraft hangar located on a military base south of Chicago. The IFF apparently dedicates most of its funds to restoration and the 1500 a month rent for the hangar, with the rest of the money actually going to their scholarship fund. They've found Bond vehicles in junkyards in the Bahamas and other vehicles located in various peoples backyards and garages.
 
Dunno if it is joke or not,but i read,that KGB buy movies to see Bond gadgets and belived they were real.Personally,i doubt.
KGB was smart genociders,not bunch of idiots.
 

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