ASBs split USA, put it next to the WWII action, Jan 1, 1942

raharris1973

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On January 1, 1942, ASBs teleport the states that are entirely west of the Mississippi, or mostly so (Minnesota & Louisiana) to the west central Pacific, less than a thousand miles from Japan.

They at the same time teleport all the states that are entirely east of the Mississippi to the eastern Atlantic, with New England being within 100 miles of Iberia.

Their latitudes are constant.

There is also a Gulf Stream and overall climate preservation bubble.

What happens from there?

Here's what it looks like:




From December ’41 and Jan ’42, new US east coast gets air and naval raided from German bases in occupied France. US may be up for invading France in the fall of 1942. A majority British force starts it, but the US is committed to the grind with endless reinforcements. Alternative, N. Africa in ’42, France in ’43. UK forces using US infrastructure for transfers. Distance should save on Battle of Atlantic and shipping and air support. But, loss of Great Plains agriculture, Gulf and California oil, and western minerals will bring about inefficiencies. So will escalated demands for air and coastal defenses. Eastern US probably is still not in food deficit but with hardly any margin to export. Import needs for eastern US and the UK and later Europe and Russia will probably be sourced first from Canada and South America for food, and Mexico and Venezuela for oil.


In the Pacific, proximity of California will create some American ambition to relieve the PI, but that will probably be overshadowed soon by the need to defend the west coast. Hawaii forces will be surged west to defend California and the Gulf coast of Texas and Louisiana. Do the Japanese reorient their whole plan to go for western US instead of south seas? Or do they stick with original territorial objectives and at most do tactical raiding on western CONUS? The US should win eventually. Western CONUS will lack for some industry and expertise but will be food and fuel rich with an adequate population. Once it turns things around, victory in the Pacific will be accelerated even faster than victory in Europe. Occupied territories will be liberated in whatever manner.


Postwar, US homeland will be more vulnerable sooner. US is ever so slightly more likely to do preemptive war on USSR. Europe and Pacific Rim will benefit from proximity to halves of the US, but also suffer because military and Cold War needs will not require as many orders to be offshored locally, and the adventure of the Korean War may never be authorized. Latin America will have costs…and benefits, of distance from USA.

So are the Japanese going to try to invade California or bomb its oilfields now that they are close. Or bombard coastal oilfields of Texas or Louisiana?
 

WolfBear

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I wonder if Japan can actually successfully overrun a large part of the Western US in this TL, at least initially. Also, the logistical difficulties of running a US that's separated by thousands of kilometers of ocean is likely to be hell. Think of the logistical difficulties of running two separate wings of Pakistan between 1947 and 1971--specifically two separate Pakistani wings that were separated by an extremely giant amount of Indian territory in between of them! Now imagine having to fight a war with both of these wings coordinating! Tough as Hell! It certainly was for Pakistan in 1971, when it got rapidly clobbered by India, which admittedly had several times more people than Pakistan had!
 

raharris1973

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I wonder if Japan can actually successfully overrun a large part of the Western US in this TL, at least initially. Also, the logistical difficulties of running a US that's separated by thousands of kilometers of ocean is likely to be hell. Think of the logistical difficulties of running two separate wings of Pakistan between 1947 and 1971--specifically two separate Pakistani wings that were separated by an extremely giant amount of Indian territory in between of them! Now imagine having to fight a war with both of these wings coordinating! Tough as Hell! It certainly was for Pakistan in 1971, when it got rapidly clobbered by India, which admittedly had several times more people than Pakistan had!

I foresee a lot of US troops from all regions of the western United States, Alaska, and Hawaii concentrating on the defense of California, Oregon, Washington, especially a lot of the troops from the training camps in the trans-Mississippi south and Texas.

I also foresee, if seasonal cycles mean Mexican agricultural laborers in California are not around in January who will be needed for spring and harvest time, and would now need to be shipped in, being partially replaced by underemployed and unemployed southern agricultural laborers and convicts.
 

raharris1973

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I wonder if Japan can actually successfully overrun a large part of the Western US in this TL, at least initially. Also, the logistical difficulties of running a US that's separated by thousands of kilometers of ocean is likely to be hell. Think of the logistical difficulties of running two separate wings of Pakistan between 1947 and 1971--specifically two separate Pakistani wings that were separated by an extremely giant amount of Indian territory in between of them! Now imagine having to fight a war with both of these wings coordinating! Tough as Hell! It certainly was for Pakistan in 1971, when it got rapidly clobbered by India, which admittedly had several times more people than Pakistan had!

Well it will consume a lot of allied shipping to balance out resources properly between eastern USA, western USA and Canada that would have in OTL would have been connected by road or rail. Areas of the open sea routes will be vulnerable to submarine attack, and in some of these wide open spaces especially in the western Atlantic and eastern Pacific will be out of the range of air protection. On the other hand, closer up against Europe, Allied land-based air anti-submarine patrols will be thicker and denser, making U-Boat passages into the open ocean more perilous.
 

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