Africa moved to the Pacific in the early 1400s, creating 3 "worlds"

ATP

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If Henry V of England will live significantly longer in this TL due to butterflies, then might he himself eventually decide to participate in any new Crusade to protect the Byzantine Empire and/or to retake Jerusalem? After he's finished conquering France and snuffing out French resistance to his rule, I mean.

Only if he take all french noblemans with him.And let them die in first charge.Then he could win and come home.
 

raharris1973

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If the Muslims retain the Levant the whole time or most of the time (which I see as more likely than victorious Neo-Crusader states), Italian or Iberian merchants may find Hawaii and set it up as a base of operations for trade to India and the Far East outside of the normal Muslim sailing range. Of course Muslim Omanis or Syrian-Lebanese mariners might find the islands first.

If the Ottomans are still expanding like gangbusters into Central Europe, and taking over Hungary from 1529 and on, and as I propose, there are not yet trade links to the Americas, well the Ottomans have just done a great heist of the biggest silver banks of the Christian world. This could bring about some deflationary problems in Christian Europe.
 

Buba

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Ottoman Hungary again requires a certain set of events, e.g. a moron on the throne (2nd in a row) who gets himself killed and then a civil war. Have Mattias sire a legitimate son ...
Lots of other possible PODs in Hungarian history - Vadislav does not die at Varna, Vladislav Posthumous manages to sire a son before dieing of luekemia ...
BTW - I do not believe that the Turks could get to Joachimsthal.
 
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Ottoman Hungary again requires a certain set of events, e.g. a moron on the throne (2nd in a row) who gets himself killed and then a civil war. Have Mattias sire a legitimate son ...
Lots of other possible PODs in Hungarian history - Vadislav does not die at Varna, Vladislav Posthumous manages to sire a son before dieng of luekemia ...
BTW - I do not believe that the Turks could get to Joachimsthal.

And in 1526 Hungarian king was betrayed not only by his german and polish allies,but also by his czech and partially hungarian vassals.
If ,for example,Poland come with help,we would have another Orsza./where polish levies massacred Moscov army in 1514 twice musch as big as them/
If czech vassals come,we would have draw.
 

raharris1973

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I would suspect that mariners from North Africa probably find East Asia intentionally before mariners from East Asia intentionally find North Africa and make a round trip. Although it might be mariners from Europe who map out the route between East Asia and Northern and Western Africa for the First time.

I expect Europeans, and Middle Easterners, when they recontact with Africa, will first do so by going east, not west, touching its west coast.

I expect that when the Old World finally connects with the Americas, it will be a Europe to Canada connection the first time, and European exploration of the Americas would work its way north to south, possibly more slowly than OTL, with the Americas not revealing their most rich, novel, and interesting parts right away (wow, fish, trees, and fur, and more of the same! sarcasm) and South America possibly only being discovered decades or more than a century after South America, possibly even after Australia in this timeline, from a Eurasian perspective.

You agree?
 

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