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I'm saying bragging that your mass murder is smaller is a pretty pathetic grounds for claiming moral superiority.

Ah that makes more sense. I mean the US was still committing genocide. The fact it was on people already reduced to a fraction of their original numbers by plague doesn't really make it better.

There were like, 400 million Indians when the famines under the British Empire occurred and that was less than a century ago, so I'm not sure where you're getting your data.

I don't know how aware y'all are of the history of the US and European colonial powers, but... their ain't as much difference as you are imagining.

I don't know that I really buy this. I mean the TikTok and the Chinese government is worse than Google and Apple, sure. But Apple and Google plus the surveillance states in the US and Europe are about comparable and are the ones I actually have to interact with.

I don't think it is a meaningful improvement. We're still being spied on continuously. All this does is cut one avenue one power used to gather data. The space left behind by removing Tiktok is going to be filled by somebody else. All this does is shuffle around the pieces.

TikTok isn't much worse than Vine or YouTube. It has a younger demographic so it is a lot louder and dumber, but as a platform is doesn't seem especially bad. I don't think what China is doing with Tiktok is substantially worse than the way metadata is freely turned over to the Five eyes by...

Why do you want to see Tiktok "gutted"?

I take it you don't approve?