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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    That is blantently untrue. This is the 1st time I've managed to pin you down to any scenario rather than vague assumptions. Now lets look at this scenario you purpose. a) Your assuming that Maxmillian dies very young without producing or designating an heir. b) Your again assuming that the...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    There's a world of difference between saying that something is certain or impossible as you like to and saying its possible/unlikely. I have noticed you tend to be very dogmatic about your desires. I'm countering your erratic statements as you keeping moving goalposts. Also if we're...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Except that Maximilian could easily live another 30+ years by which time if he's been successful then Mexico would be a lot more stable than OTL and his dynasty is going to be generally accepted - leaving aside the possible case of if at a late point he rejects the Iturbide heir at a late stage...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Yes but its fighting a war and after that war is over the CSA has to rebuild and decide what its doing while any aggressive action is likely to cause a reaction from the north as well as possibly other powers. A US that has been defeated and possibly lost any border with Mexico - or at least...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    In a drastically different situation. He might fail again or he might succeed. He was fairly secure and controlled much of the country until pressure from a victorious north [which isn't going to be there this time] prompted France to withdraw support. In the 1860's Britain wasn't willing...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Because it was that minuscule it meant a minimum military cost and also the social and opportunity costs of a much larger number of men in the army. That was one reason why the US did so well economically as they had very low taxes, especially open ones. If much higher taxes are being...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    As always it would depend on the circumstances. There will be tension between the two nations at least for a decade or two and a lot would depend on the politics in the two nations, along with possibly other nations. If some hot-head on either side starts something or simply makes a lot of...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    That's why I said "IF" he managed to broaden his support base, which isn't impossible. Albeit that he would be vulnerable during a transition period while he was switching support base. Britain actually has a hell of a lot of power projection if it chooses to use it. Which it could well do...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    That would depend on the relative strengths of the three nations involved. A Mexico stable under Maximilian where his liberal ideas have been generally accepted could be developing quite nicely and also unwilling to accept close links to the south, especially given past history as it was...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    From the link I posted its suggested If that's accurate it could have gone either way. Although as you say above getting one of his cousins selected as heir after hinting at the Iturbide heirs is likely to upset a fair number of the Mexicans.
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Yes, from the previous emperor Agustín de Iturbide, ruled Mexico for about a year in 1822-23 before being deposed and as Maximilian and his wife had no children they adopted two of Iturbide's grandchild as possible heirs, although there some doubt over this as wiki states Maximilian was...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Basically I think it will depend on the circumstances, both in terms of the war and afterwards as to how much the south develops industry compared to OTL and how much the north is restrained in its development by the loss of the south. For instance on the AH section of a site for the USCW its...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    A lot depends on the circumstances. For instance taking the most commonly considered scenario of Lincoln screwing up the Trent Crisis. If it means war with the UK then that probably lasts until late 1862 when the union is forced to come to terms. This would probably mean that the south gets...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    A lot would depend on the circumstances. Even before the USCW I think migrantion to the south was limited because much of the good land was dominated by the plantations and you had a flow of poorer whites northwards which helped with the land hunger in the north as western expansion developed...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Would have to disagree. By this time New England had lost much of its power. It was already being side-lined by 1812 remember. Also while it might have been founded by Puritans initially Massachusetts at least, which was its centre of power was becoming increasingly Irish Catholic so it had...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Well that's the underlying message of a lot of [mis-]managers in the Anglo-sphere for the last few decades unfortunately. :( I'm not sure about there being a massive boycott of southern goods as that didn't seem to be a massive issue for Brazil or the Spanish in Cuba for instance. The south...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Are you assuming then the New England social engineering will be replaced even more with that of the robber barons of the gilded age? On the 2nd point as I mention this would be a big issue for the north to avoid war provided that the south has control of all their territory after the peace...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    I agree the often stated southern alliance with European powers is overstated. [That takes you into stupidity such as Tuttledove's 191 TL 2nd conflict at a time when Britain and France were bitter rivals.] However once its formally accepted the south as an independent state, especially after a...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Very true. Of course an open revanchist elements, even if not politically dominant is going to have some costs. Including possibly higher costs for foreign investment and if their powerful enough to prompt a markedly larger military then that will have both economic and social costs. If the...
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    If the Confederacy wins the American Civil War, is the Union going to become revanchist over the next several decades and beyond?

    Not sure on that last bit as one other big issue for the south - and also western states as they developed - was the high tariffs on manufacturing goods that meant buyers paid a lot more than they would have done for European goods. Even without hard feeling between the two groups I think that...
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