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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Apologies, I've been tied up with helping a friend. Will be an ongoing issue for a while but should have weekends free so trying to catch up now. Yes the issue is how much the US could commit to France in 39/40 and that could be fairly low given both pre-conflict US army and also that their...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Possibly yes if the actual support of the US to their allies was unclear. I was thinking that if it looks likely that the US will commit fully when war starts then a lot of Germans are going to be very unwilling to start something in the 1st place. You did notice my 2nd paragraph on this...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Frankly if WWI has ended as OTL with a large if largely unblooded US army in the west as well as the British and French then I suspect the most likely outcome would be any German leader determined to go to war with such an alliance could well suffer a sudden fatal health problem. Especially...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    True if there's enough of a butterfly net that so much remains the same despite a big PoD 20 years prior. France might still fall if Germany comes up with the same mix of military brilliance, sheer luck and political insanity as OTL although that would make the US wake up to a full war footing...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    In that case something like that would be quite likely. A lot would depend on the circumstances but you might still have the pressures to keep a) the Americans in - depending on US internal politics as your likely to get an attempt to revive political/diplomatic isolationism at some time. b)...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Well they will want the Baltics for easy access further east as well and western Ukraine for its grain capacity. They might be willing to give up the relatively undeveloped Belarus region provided they have links further east. However this all assumes a rational Hitler/Nazis which seems unlikely.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    OK good points as long as the treaty is maintained.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    True and that would isolate the Polish sub-state from the sea and hence external influences. However I doubt given the nature of the Nazis and that you have an extremely militaristic Germany that Poland would have much in the way of self-government for long.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Possibly but continental states always prefer a continuous land link. Don't forget it was only really necessary in terms of the Nazi cult of warfare and racial superiority and continual expansion.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    I think more of a doormat than a lap-dog. Once the Soviets/Russians are defeated Hitler no longer needs the Poles as an ally and its decent land adjacent to eastern Germany.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Well given Hitler's long term aims any such alliance is likely to be temporary. However faced with an unbeatable bloc to the west - although one which may as a result have given up on the rest of Europe he might consider that as a quick way of getting at the Soviets. Plus in that case Poland...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Looking again its prominent in Leffler's book, Safeguarding American Capitalism, p98-102. Possibly that was the only one that raised this point as looking at the neighbouring links they don't seem to do so. I think it might depend on the exact details of the alliance and how it develops. If...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Many thanks. Skimmed through the pages and related ones for most of the links. There seem to be a bit of difference between Ambrosius's view and at least one of the lower ones where it says the Republicans were deeply critical of France's search for security as a way of "maintaining French...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    OK thanks. I think I will play safe. Sorry about the late reply but the heat has been so bad the past few days and my computer like me has seen better days so I cut useage to the minimal to avoid any risk of it giving up on me. A good bit cooler now so trying to catch up today.
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    Good point. I'm doubtful whether that alliance would have been stable although if it had it would have made a big difference to international relations. That still being in place in 1939 and possibly even a US government then with Hitler kicking up such a rumphus might have been willing to...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    On the last bit very true. One the 1st even a moderate Russian government that supported major social reforms and possibly is even coming out against racism and colonialism would be seen as a major challenge to a more conservative west and central Europe - especially if its supporting...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    That might be the best option. The US still thought of itself as separate from Europe and probably neither France nor Britain would think they needed protection against the OTL Bolsheviks, especially given the shambolic state of the country after they won the civil war. However if they won...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    If Belgium did join such an alliance I wonder if - assuming things develop as OTL - the Maginot Line would continue along the Belgium-German border? Or at least Belgium, probably with some allied fiscal support might develop its own eastern defences. I think that because it worked in 1914...
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    The creation of a proto-NATO after the end of World War I

    If that had come about it might well have been a game changer, provided that no future US government repudiated the agreement. It would have meet French need for security and as a result would have greatly eased tensions with Germany in the Wiemar period. In terms of what other countries...
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