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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Well, if the British are actually in Baku, say trying to help Whites against Reds, or prevent German takeover, and Ottoman Empire that is just trying to jackal easy meat from the Russian revolution obviously won't attack wherever those Brits are stationed. Whatever the ideal wish list of some...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Very thorough and sophisticated response. I would note that your prediction of the war's endgame does seem to position both the Ottomans and the Italians pretty well to be successful jackals in at the last act of the war, if they are ready to gamble. If Russia is brought low and to revolution...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Well, taking it to the next level. Can neutral Ottomans keep the straits closed to Entente cargo shipping without getting an Entente DoW in return? If not, how long till the Entente does its DoW? Can the Entente run massive cargo convoys through neutral Ottomans officially closed straits...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Would it for sure? Or would blocking the straits to belligerent traffic (either all cargo, or anything that can be regarded as 'war contraband'-again very elastic) just be one reasonable possible interpretation of Turkey's neutral duties under international treaties? In the months of the war...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    They are going to do that even without the Ottomans in the war - simply to bail out the Austro-Hungarians.
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    I know the Germans sent arms, ammo, and officers to help, but were the Ottomans really all that much of a drain? I never got the impression they absorbed so many German or Austrian Divisions or Division equivalents or Corps. The #s of coalition units drawn in to aid the Austro-Hungarians and...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Well Scheldt shipping would have been relevant to the Entente during this battle: Siege_of_Antwerp_(1914). So warship, military traffic, banned on Sep 4, 1914, would have hampered the Entente in that fight, which continued until the Entente retreat and loss of Antwerp on October 10, 1914. I...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    That means on September 27th 1914, the Ottomans closed the straits to Entente merchant shipping? That is while they were still neutral. They did not attack the Entente (with the Germans ships) until October 29th 1914, and did not declare war until November 4th 1914.
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    That's a good question about the Armenians. Another good question is about exactly how freely commercial traffic will flow through the straits during the war. We do have a sample period to consider, in August, September, and October 1914, the war was going on, but the Ottomans were still...
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    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI? I'm of the view they both mattered and carried weight for their coalitions. Their absence would be felt.
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