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  1. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    There aren't a lot of alternatives outside different flavors of communism except different flavors of capitalism. I mentioned it over in the Election fraud thread, but since I have replied to a lot of people here I thought I would mention that I probably won't be posting here for a long while...
  2. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Or possibly it means without the assumption the current order is good there is little reason to support it.
  3. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    This is what we call a "persecution complex". Your imaginary culture war has nothing to do with any of this. Although the insight into what scares conservatives is interesting. apparently it remains being expected to treat others with respect and other people having sex. The left or the...
  4. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    That you are comparing ownership of a factory to the right not be sexually assaulted is substantially worse than the previous comment. You should stop now.
  5. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    OMG, we have someone who apparently doesn't know who Friedrich Ebert was! Yeah, I can buy 1990s web design plus old guy giving that vibe, too. And no, very obviously Marxian economics wouldn't be universally supported. Nothing gets universally supported. I also think the fact that a lot of...
  6. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    No clue. :) I don't think there is a definite answer to questions like that. I do think it would have had a much better chance of success than it did in OTL, though. Though I think victory was basically impossible, with the social democrats deciding to work with the fascists.
  7. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    I don't think there was a conspiracy to suppress Marx. He is extremely influential and nobody seems to deny that. I don't know where you are getting that from. I do think economics is very dull though. I didn't even read the text. (as should be evident by the speed I replied). I skimmed...
  8. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Wow, that looks like a crazy person website. Also "Marxist-Leninist" isn't a term any supporter of Marxism or Leninism tends to use. It is a euphemism for Stalinism.
  9. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Well I am afraid you are entirely wrong. All people have the same moral worth. Now that we have that cleared up, I think it should be clear why I don't care for capitalism. As to the answer about labor theory of value, I was being a bit cheeky with you. My layman's understanding of the LtV is...
  10. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Labor theory of value is in fact correct. Do you think I only care about what happens to Americans?
  11. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    I agree. I don't think capitalism does that, and I don't think that any system that does so can survive the tendency of capital to accumulate or the economic incentives to exploitation that exist under capitalism.
  12. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    The outsourcing of brutality and the very worst of exploitation to poorer nations rather than to immigrants or the rural poor doesn't really change the moral calculus. There is still a lot of human misery undergirding our entire economic system. Globalism has meant we can move the worst of it...
  13. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Except you aren't actually offered a square deal. You are offered a fraction of the value of your labor. Perhaps you are receiving enough that you don't mind. But plenty of people are living on the edge of starvation, and if they try to organize, they are murdered with the tacit approval of...
  14. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Whereas capitalism involves putting a gun to someone's head to force them to give up the products of their labor. Using private property rights to argue for private property rights is circular.
  15. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Yeah, but most liberals seem to take more inspiration about how the world works from Rowling than Christ. I don't agree with your claims about psychology and sociology being pseudoscience by that standard, then. There are observational sciences. Things that catalogue information and attempt...
  16. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Can I not get through one discussion without liberals bringing up Harry Potter?!
  17. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Thank you, much better. I'd say deciding only Germans count as people is in fact a significant moral difference. Neither I, nor most actual Marxists are advocating for the moral goodness of the USSR, nor a return to its policies, and "robbery" (theft would be a better word, even under...
  18. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Try using your big boy words. I'm impressed your associates degree level courses actually covered the concept of macroeconomics at all. That said, I disagree entirely with your description of them. The entire point of Austrian economics was to attempt to create an alternative to Marxist...
  19. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Yep, and these laws have been used all over and selectively enforced to target people feeding the homeless.
  20. mesonoxian

    Discussing Communism

    Okay? The better question is how will the billionaires deal with the inevitable uprising? I imagine the way they have always dealt with the working class. But nobody denies capitalism is murderous.
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