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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    And I would presume that the reason that the Courtenays were treated differently in real life was already mentioned by me, correct? Specifically the fact that they faded into obscurity over the centuries. Anyway, Yeah, what you write here certainly makes sense. Maybe I should doubt my own logic...
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    I haven't answered my own question here, though; I merely said that the Dreux would have had an agnatic claim to the French throne in this scenario, but I didn't actually say that they would have been accepted as French dynasts in such a scenario. The Courtneys were not, after all, though it's...
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    Question for you: Had both the Valois and Bourbons (including the junior Bourbon-Vendome branch) become extinct in the 1500s or 1600s while the House of Dreux would have survived, would the House of Dreux have inherited the French throne? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dreux The House...
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    @Circle of Willis Somewhat off-topic, but I also find it interesting that the Valois-Alencon branch could have survived far longer than it actually did. Charles IV, Duke of Alencon was infertile (he and his wife had no children, but his wife had children with her second husband after Charles's...
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    It would have to be a male, since females were ineligible for the French throne and one could also only inherit the French throne through the male line rather than through any females.
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    Excellent analysis; thank you! :) BTW, what made Mary's son James an acceptable candidate for the English throne? Also, FWIW, one can have children naturally in one's 40s, but Yeah, based on what you wrote here, I do suspect that Joanna was probably barren. In addition, what about the...
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    If nothing charges in regards to English royal fertility but Francis II and Mary, Queen of Scots produce a male heir, does Scotland still become Protestant? And if so, would Catholic France actually be willing to form a personal union with a Protestant country? BTW, it's worth noting that this...
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    Would things have been made much easier had English never become Protestant?
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    What about having Francis II of France live longer and having him and Mary, Queen of Scots produce a male heir who will subsequently inherit the French and Scottish thrones and also the English throne upon Elizabeth I's death?
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    Capetian marriage alliances leading to unification between France and various other territories?

    Inspired by @raharris1973's thread about the Hapsburgs not inherting Bohemia and Hungary. Anyway, in real life, one notable Capetian marriage alliance that resulted in a unification of France with another kingdom was the marriage of Antoine of Bourbon with Queen Jeanne III of Navarre, which...
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