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Sometimes a broken clock is just broken.

Because the only thing that legitimizes the use of force is results, and the result of the 2014 coup was a new government (which was arguably no less corrupt or abusive than the previous regime, though that's admittedly irrelevant), that several million Ukrainians refused to recognize as...

Wait, did my post come across like I was accusing you of saying that? In that case, I apologize; I should have made it more clear that I was referring to Lord Sovereign's post with that short tangent.

Sorry I missed this, but I'm not really sure what you're asking me to prove here.

If that were true, he wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. That was just him going "I'm not saying people who disagree with me are Nazis, but..."

Perhaps, but obviously I don't agree that they are right in this case, or appreciate being compared to a Holocaust denier; though I do find the irony in that (from someone who, like all of us, is denounced as a Nazi for having the wrong opinions) a bit darkly humorous. Also, keep that in mind...

I feel the exact same way, except obviously from my perspective I see people screaming about how I'm spouting Russian propaganda, while quoting the very same establishment a few weeks ago they were insisting couldn't be trusted as evidence. Political tribalism does seem to rot the brain, as its...

So we all just hallucinated the Maidan coup, is that what you're saying?

No, because they're not a sovereign nation. Not since the coup in 2014, and the ongoing civil war that resulted from it.

It is a fact that the United States and Europe backed the violent overthrowing of the legitimate government of Ukraine, in order to replace it with one more willing to back their international interests, as opposed to Russia's. It is also a fact that Crimea and eastern Ukraine supported said...

One that doesn't involve outright mockery and scorn, or attacks on one's moral character, any time someone voices an option you don't like. One that relies less on personal biases to base one's arguments on, and more on objective facts. One that acknowledges that people on both sides are still...

Oh, so now we're resorting to implications of racism then? Real adult conversation we're having here. I think we're done.

Sometimes I think it's impossible to have any adult conversation involving Russia; the Cold War mentality is just too ingrained in the western psyche. Russia is not China; and unlike the people Zachowon mentioned, you're not in a position to drag America into a conflict we should not be having.

If they think Ukraine is still their country, they should not be allowed to serve in the US Army. We cannot afford to have divided loyalties in our armed forces.

I was not aware; this explains so much.

Which in retrospect may have been the plan all along when we backed that coup; to force Russia into a conflict that will weaken them.