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All I can speak from is my own personal experience, but fair enough; on both counts.

Or, in other words; most people would fail the pain box test:

See, this is why I can't take discussing this subject seriously anymore; nobody can agree on anything when it comes to religion. Case in point; as an agnostic theist and former atheist myself, I basically disagree with everything ShieldWife just said. I assert that atheists are making a positive...

I debated with myself about taking this topic seriously, but I decided not to. Because at this point? I don't think it merits it.