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I was part of the D&D club when I went to DeVry; they're weren't that many clubs to choose from, and I was damned if I was going to join the club that just wanted to build robots. Then it turned out the same guy was in charge of both, and happened to be a terrible DM. One bad roll for a sneaking...

Well, you're certain not representative of mainstream Libertarian political philosophy; but then again I'm not representative of the mainstream Left, even though I consider myself Left. We live in a world where the most insane extremists dominate the narrative.

So am I; I spent some years thinking I was a "Libertarian" on the basis of individual rights alone, up until I found out what else they believed in.

I've never actually heard either of you state outright that you consider yourselves capital L "Libertarians"; Abhorsen, meanwhile, has done so repeatedly.

It doesn't really help when the only "Libertarian" we have on this forum seems to embody the anarchist stereotype.

In practice, libertarianism as a political ideology always seems to focus on anarcho-capitalism as the core of what it wants to push onto society; I understand it doesn't have to, but every single "Libertarian" I've talked to keeps pushing that angle.

...And this is why I will never take libertarianism seriously as a political ideology; because it's ultimately just as short-sighted and ignorant of both human nature and historical precedent as communism is.