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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    High school students are traditionally involved in a "students' election" that tells us how they would vote in the election. In the past, the majority always went left-wing; young people being the most lefty cohort. This time, a majority of them indicated they'd vote for Wilders. More than than...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Last night, the numbers indicated that Wilders would het 35 seats (out of the total 150). The leftists kept saying that the exit polls were wrong. And the exit polls were wrong. Wilders gets 37 seats. My friends, I cannot adequately describe the sour looks on the faces of all the left-wing...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    They can keep Wilders out, but that would be an obvious betrayal of the voters. The right-wing and centre-right parties have won some 60% of the votes. But a third of that goes to Wilders. As such: the others can't make a coalition without bowing to the left. That would mean that the two new...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Election day in the Netherlands. The polls just closed. Exit polls indicate that Geert Wilders and the anti-immigration Freedom Party have won an upset victory, becoming the largest party in our multi-party system, with over 20% of the votes going their way. For the longest time, it seemed that...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Next year, the functions of President of the European Council, President of the European Commission, and Secretary-General of NATO will all become available. And Rutte is considered a serious contender for all three. As it just so happens.
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    All things in their good time. As far as the Netherlands are concerned, we're nowhere near any radical sea-change. I don't see it happening elsewhere in the West, either-- although there are places where things are already significantly more 'pressing' than in the Netherlands. Never...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    UPDATE: The Dutch coalition government has just fallen apart. The parties disagreed about reform of the policies regarding asylum seekers. The current system is demonstrably untenable, but the left-wing parties have blocked any meaningful reform. There will most likely be elections in the...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    External factors (like a new banking crisis) could do the trick, but as things stand now... the Dutch are a very "domesticated" people, highly averse to causing any drastic upsets. There will be no revolts here until it becomes the only alternative to literal starvation for a significant...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    They won, in the sense that they are the largest party in every province. But of course, in the Netherlands we have a multi-party system, so being the largest "merely" means that they got between 13% and 33% in every province, and all other parties got less than they did in every province. In...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    What @Lord Sovereign says is true. The Netherlands, like all other non-Third-World countries except the USA, demands voter ID. After a brief experiment, voting machines have also been rejected, because they're just not trustworthy enough. Ballots only. Last general election, some silly goose of...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Hilariously, the farmers' protest today has been pretty calm and uneventful. It's actually more a political rally for the non-leftist opposition parties (provincial elections are in four days*). The government did bring in foreign (German) water cannons... and used them on the far left...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    I've always said that based on both historical precedents for this kind of thing (which offer a 'typical' time-frame) and current trends, the present period will only end in the last stages of this century. I stand by that analysis. This does not suggest that things just remain peaceful and "as...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Well, it's incredibly hard when you're an asshole... Government is basically a congregation of assholes, since decent people don't want the job.
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Protests have winded down rather a lot, because of the obvious reason I mentioned back when it started: the government can just wait them out. Farmers actually have to work to survive, and they're barely making ends meet as it is. They can't afford the "luxury" of taking time off from work to...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    That's not really the right question, although as others have noted, there have been examples. The point here isn't that the farmers are going to overthrow the government. The point is that the farmers (and fishermen) in the Netherlands are among the first-hit by a slew of terrible policies, but...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    The future, as always, is much like the past. And our current period is one of constant self-deception, false peace and inflated wealth -- interspaced with violent bouts of unpleasantries (and in some cases outright horrors) as reality periodically catches up. Hitler was just another deformed...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    I agree with a lot of this. WhatIfAltHist is very perceptive when it comes to a variety of topics, although there are points where I thing he's completely off-base. Believe it or not, I generally consider him to be too positive, in that he thinks the crisis of this century will just be...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    I'll have a look at this tomorrow. Swamped with work today, I'm afraid!
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    Yes. The whole point here is to destroy the national food supply, so that everyone is utterly dependent on imports -- and therefore on globalism -- for food. Isn't this obvious? Think about it. The present political and economic system is going to collapse; a system with this many structural...
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    EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

    To elaborate: the people are generally very well-off (compared to most other countries), and therefore very complacent and risk-averse. There's enormous political docility. Most people -- outside the cities -- aren't actually all that woke, and just want everything to be "normal". Almost...
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