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Get out of the cities, man. You have a better chance to connect away from there.

Sure, delusion. But, people just doing what they're told makes them proof of the "elites" power. For most of history, having more followers is a sign of power. We're in the bizzare situation that our leaders are looking at everybody who's following them, who mostly do what they're told, and...

It's a strange thing, when the people of a nation aren't seen as the power of the nation by their own leaders. We're seen more as a threat to the "Elite" than the mark and proof of their power and authority. It's quite strange, in a bunch of ways. How can you be a leader if nobody is...

I used to be a Libertarian, I still have some thoughts that way. 'shrug' What's your definition? For slavery, that is. There are lighter shades of grey, sure. We should be aiming that way. But, nothing happens in a vacume. There are consequences, some immediate, some obvious, some both or...

There's a few other ideas I can think of, like a shared experience binding a people together, and there might be skills and qualities that the conscripted benefit from, leading to greater things all around said nation. If those make it worth it, that's a seperate question. If I might...

I didn't say "Justice". I said there was a cost to maintain society. There is work that must be done, in order to keep the society together and effective. A lot of people aren't doing that, right now. A lot of people who tried have been punished for it. I was going to rant about the current...

Ok. Also irrelivant. Places are a package deal, the rules of a group are what they are, and if you try to live outside themselves, there'll be a cost. And it might well be your life. If you don't like the rules, either work to change them, move to somewhere closer to what you like- Or...

Then move. You don't have to like it. But, places both vary, and are a package deal.

That's how it should be, sure. I note the levels of immigration, and the number of places talking about non-citizens getting the vote. The Social Contract has two parties, after all.

Ok. I'll buy that (for a dollar!)

Rights are concepts, ones I generally like, but they're not a intrinsic part of reality. Momentum is, in a very real sense. If the conditions arise, as they do all the time whenever anything moves, momentum will do it's thing. Every single time. Justice? Much as I like it, it requires effort...

Interesting thread. I, personally, put it in a local cultural framework. As such, when it's an accepted part of the local culture, understood and beleved in by the people, it's reasonable. Not great, perhaps, but not a great evil in of itself. However, I also have a comment, on the subject...