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  1. Simonbob

    The Death of our Liberty. (Discussion Thread)

    Agreed. I'm not sure where the line should be, but I lean more and more toward "Protect and teach people, and that takes limits." I'm ever more certain most people are not capable, nor willing, to deal with the kind of liberty you want. It might be the thousands of years where at least a...
  2. Simonbob

    The Death of our Liberty. (Discussion Thread)

    I know that historicaly, there's been some serious horror shows along that path, and current Islamics have done so truly monsterous stuff. But...... I've never seen any of it. I don't even know anybody who goes to church. I've never been condesended by anybody of any faith. Unless you...
  3. Simonbob

    The Death of our Liberty. (Discussion Thread)

    You're right. But, being human makes you capeable of seriously screwing up. We NEED limits. And, unless you want people able to, say, rape small kids, you agree too. It's just where that line is, and why.
  4. Simonbob

    The Death of our Liberty. (Discussion Thread)

    As Bacle said, that's not the general defintion of Liberty today. Note, I hadn't heard that stuff, either. I do agree, there needs to be limits to freedom, and the NAP's a reasonable one. From a certian point of view, we're freer now than almost any point in history. If you want to be a...
  5. Simonbob

    The Death of our Liberty. (Discussion Thread)

    Nobody with any real power, yes.
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