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  1. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    It’s kinda strange that you’re talking about Karl Marx like some kind of obscure and discredited figure, instead of one of the most influential and followed men in history. Almost every university on Earth is full of adherents to his ideology who teach his ideas and have students read his books...
  2. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Martin Luther King is going to have to be knocked off his pedestal at some point for the USA as we know it to survive. The man is a religious figure in the USA, he is more revered than Jesus. That isn’t hyperbole, it’s literally true. A celebrity could say something horribly insulting...
  3. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    The old canard about poverty causing crime has been debunked so many times, it’s become tiresome. Besides, the USA doesn’t really even have poverty, not in any traditional sense. Through out all of human history up until the last century or so, being poor meant that you didn’t have enough food...
  4. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I’ll debate other conservatives on points of disagreement, as you can see in the thread about religion, but I’m not going to condemn people for being too far right or make them my opponents. My enemies are on the left, or in the center perhaps as it’s pretty far left these days too, and the...
  5. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Yeah, “extremism” is a meaningless word in a civilization where extremists define what is mainstream: which is certainly what we have here in the USA and other Western nations too. Racism really is a meaningless word that carries all of this emotional power but in practice just means being...
  6. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Probably so, though I’ve seen some atheist vs apologist debates where they went into detail on this topic and it seemed productive. EDIT: here we go, a thread on religion and morality.
  7. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I feel extremely tempted to weigh in on the religion and morality tangent, but it is a tangent, maybe there should be a new thread.
  8. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    A lot of people within the modern right really would be considered left leaning in a more sane world. The left’s gotten so crazy though that just your standard left winger might now be called a Nazi for failing to accept the more radical aspects of social justice and Intersectionality.
  9. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Yeah, when whites came to the Americas, at least with regard to the natives, they were conquerers not immigrants. You could actually say that the Native Americans at least had the good sense to fight back against people who were coming to ethnically cleanse them from their ancestral lands...
  10. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I know you think that you said something meaningful there but you did not. An ox might be more useful to that village than either the boy or a welfare brat, what does that say about the potential of any of them? Humans cannot rise above their nature, the idea doesn't even make any sense. Humans...
  11. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    My supposed obsession with genetics is irrelevant. "Obsession" is subjective anyway and even if it weren't, it would be an ad hominem argument. I was saying that both the left and mainstream right narrative is to blame white people for different outcomes among the races. You're not even...
  12. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    This entire line of thought is a gigantic straw man. No one on the genetic side of the issue believes that there is no such thing as culture. Culture plays a big role in what people are like, literally everyone on earth who thinks of such issues knows that. What the other side doesn’t...
  13. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Ummm... No. Monuments and civilizations aren't made by ignoring truth and nature. You can't build the Hagia Sophia by pretending that physics doesn't exist. You can't make 1+1 = 3 by wanting it hard enough. Maybe it is human nature to ignore truth and nature, which is why we are capable of...
  14. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    So, what you're saying is that it's white people's fault? It's like a variant on what the left says, that it's white conservatives' fault that the black community has problems, but you say that its white liberals' fault. Maybe it's not white people's fault at all. Social engineering certainly...
  15. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Knowing the truth is important. Just because someone has some intentions that people don't approve of doesn't mean that things that they say aren't true. In fact, we should be wary of anybody who says we shouldn't seek out the truth because of some kind of negative consequence that knowing...
  16. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    A lot of dog breeds are really recent, hundreds of years old or less. Controlled breeding and short generations can rapidly create dog breeds. Of course, human evolution is slower, but in 200,000 you can create plenty of genetic differences in isolated populations. Then again, just throwing out...
  17. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Modern Americans sacrifice their children to Mammon, not Baal.
  18. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I don’t want to change them, but if that is what “racism” is to mean, which is almost anything, then being called a racist is insignificant. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, you can’t use a definition for racism that could include nearly anything including just knowing something true...
  19. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    The brand of Christianity usually espoused by the people who would have the Western world embrace multiculturalism in the name of Christ is a hollow Christianity full of empty platitudes and carefully selected passages without context. The lifestyles of such Christians would likely differ...
  20. ShieldWife

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    This definition sounds reasonable to most people, but is actually really bad. It’s especially bad because “racist” is the worst thing that anybody can be in modern America. Racism is a state of being that makes a person, according to many including some here, worthy of death. Considering that...
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