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So, anyway, back to my discrimination point, which is where things left off before we got weird. A huge component of regulating society is not how the government rewards or punishes people, but how people choose to interact with each other. In olden days, promiscuity, for example, wasn’t...

This conversation has taken a very odd turn.

This isn’t a very strong argument. Isn’t personal choice the answer to most of this LGBT topic? Letting consenting adults have sex with who they want to have sex with, let other people avoid them if they do choose. This should be enough for reasonable LGBT and reasonable people who oppose LGBT.

Children should certainly be protected. Giving kids a sex change or screwing with their hormones is abuse of the worst sort and should be outlawed. As for adults choosing to have their own bodies modified, that is a little bit tougher for me. That is an issue that goes far beyond LGBQ… stuff...

Of course it should. The idea that people can’t discriminate is absurd and obscene. Don’t people own their own property? If so why are people forced to let others access their property? Don’t people own their own bodies? If so then why are we forced to provide other people our labor against our...

I’m one of the last people to say that right wingers should moderate themselves for political expediency, they right has been doing that for far too long and it’s been the death of us in many ways. But honestly, what purpose is served by being anti-gay? What is the end goal if the right goes...

This is such a great point. I would call myself a nationalist as well, before a conservative or other similar label. In large part, because in the modern USA (and likely much of the Western world) conservatism doesn’t really even mean anything anymore. Conservatism means to give tax cuts and...

🤦‍♀️ Well that was really taken out of context.

Well, it’s not “normal” in that it’s atypical, but not being normal isn’t necessarily bad. Saints are abnormally moral, geniuses are abnormally intelligent, someone 7 feet tall is abnormally tall. As for being unhealthy or not, that is the topic of discussion and cannot be assumed...

I’m all for pushing back against delusions. That is typically something that individuals do though, not the state. Once the state forces people to accept others’ delusions, or in fact forces other people to accept other people’s subjective judgements, then we have the troubles you mention. I...

The problem is that mental illness and purpose are both subjective. If you saw a teenage boy cutting up his own face with a knife, you might be inclined to think he is mentally ill and try to stop him or get help. What if he’s from a culture where that face cutting has deep social and/or...

This issue, like so many other issues, are best handled by letting people do as they please. You’re gay or bi and want to have sex with consensual adults of the same sex, you should be allowed to do so. You object to homosexuality and want to not associate or do business with them, you should be...

Regarding the issue of so called “Trans panic” while I certainly think that misleading people about your sex/gender to have sex with them is odious, it would be really hard to have a law against it without opening the door to all kinds of crazy things being called rape. Kind of like how modern...

I can understand supporting his gay rights positions, but I’m not sure if defending Harvey Milk is a wise strategy. Imagine the right wing equivalent: a far right politician who was extremely cozy with a literal Neo-Nazi cult that was the cause of almost 1000 murders including a US congressman...

That is a very strangely specific law. Did California expect a visit from Zeus or Uther Pendragon?

Don’t go down that path. Don’t agree that people don’t have the right to freedom of association. By ceding that, you are 90% of the way to being forced to hire Trans people.

I’m not being pro-big business, I just think that everybody has freedom of association, to hire and fire who they like for what ever reasons they like. At least within the bounds of any contracts that have been signed. As for really big businesses discriminating, they already do. Big...

What Marduk said. We could debate the possible disadvantages of hiring a trans person, but ultimately that decision isn’t ours to make, it is the choice of the employer. If a boss feels uncomfortable hiring somebody for some reason, then it’s their business and they should have the right to...

Which is what? It’s about discrimination, right? Though, honestly, “civil rights” is usually a pretty weaselly idea.

Yeah, the “rights” demanded by the T part of LGBT go way beyond those that the LGB part have traditionally fought for. Not wanting to get arrested and severely punished for consensual sexual activity is a worthy goal, and wanting gay marriage isn’t unreasonable either. But when we get to what...