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...Look, I like GMO's... but GMO's work because they target things with clear genetic linkages and double and triple check to make sure they are only doing what we want them to and not other stuff. We don't have nearly enough to select for genes that do things that are actually useful. Sure, we...

You know what, nah, I'm just gonna leave this here and stop watching.

That's still not a Welfare Floor, because there were points where the Welfare simply ends, and as long as those points exist, what you are talking about is a Welfare Ceiling that demands people tread water till they drown. So, eventually, they drown. Frankly, making the claim that people "need...

You mean that thing that already gets done all the time?(Lobbying! Yay!) And where is your evidence that Welfare Floors cause this? Instead of it being a result of Welfare Ceilings leading to people drowning. Because that's what happens when you demand people tread water indefinitely, they tire...

You know what, this is a useless tangent @LordsFire If we can eliminate all proverty not directly the result of immediate choices(those people who spend all their money before their next paycheck) is that pointless?

Firstly, that number in your napkin math is 0.52 Trillion, about a twelfth of 6 Trillion, rather the opposite of "over 6 Trillion". EDIT: never mind, missed that annual part. Secondly, there are several options, but my preferred one is, straight up, this is a replacement for all other Federal...

... Can people insisting that we do small scale experiments or that UBI makes people not work actually read the thread? It's not actually that long yet people.

...Do you have any examples of Welfare Floors instead of Welfare Ceilings?

And yet, somehow, taxes don't seem to go down every year... somehow, taxes even go up every now and again.

How is this fundamentally different from all the many ways people ALREADY vote themselves more money? Subsidies and bail outs, existing Welfare, and random pork barrels.

How do you reconcile this with the economic fact that 100% employment is neither possible nor desirable?

I've already heard of entry level lawyer work at big firms getting wholesale replaced with search engines. On the one hand, terrifying, on the other hand, I wonder if those jobs aren't safe for longer than we might expect off Execs wanting to hold onto someone to blame... Probably both too...

More Computers. If it doesn't require creativity it's computers. How many people do you think can actually be good enough at this to make a living off it? Especially with "cooks" being "cooks for the ultra wealthy who make stuff up", if it's route learning stuff... well, Computers. Who can do...

...Ok, question, let's say that, at some point, Computers can do literally everything we today consider "essential", Sewers? Computers. Trash Stuff? Computers. Farms? Computers. Mining? Computers. Construction? Computers. The only work humans can usefully do is stuff that requires creativity...

For me, putting in effort and getting no further is doing nothing of value. Maybe I'm weird like that and other people just need to be doing literally anything.

Again, give them Welfare that doesn't involve treading water. EDIT: You technically could do that with current programs, it'd just involve a shitton more expense on bureaucracy, which I don't think any of us consider a positive.

...Maybe it's just me, but when I put in effort and am then barred from advancing my position through no fault of my own, I stop putting in effort. I know what the Welfare Wall would do to me and my motivation to do anything productive. Maybe you have a different reaction to treading water though.

Except they create a situation that is the exact opposite. Let's say, for sake of illustration, the cut off is 100 dollars in wages, we have a person trying to do better, trying to drag themselves up by their bootstraps, they are currently earning 99 dollars in wages and recieve 20 dollars in...

Honestly, this whole crime thing has also been a distraction, because my claim was never "Government Welfare Good" it was "Current system creates a barrier to exit and NIT and UBI don't have that barrier to exit". Would Government Welfare going away entirely to be replaced entirely with private...