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Corollary point: while legal scholars tend to argue that Buck v. Bell was one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in history on legal principle, the actual facts of the case are arguably even more horrifying. Carrie Buck was involuntarily sterilized on the basis that she was a "threat to public...

While this is somewhat tangential, I have to step in here and point out that no, the courts never actually did overturn the precedents on involuntary sterilization. Contrary to popular misconception, Skinner v. Oklahoma did not actually overturn the infamous Buck v. Bell decision; it only held...

Hang on, which intersex conditions are you thinking of? Because I can't think of *any* of them that are actually a mild case of a lethal-at-full-severity mutation, and Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is the only one that can cause medical emergencies. And CAH is weird because it is an intersex...

You're literally calling me ridiculous and delusional for presenting the facts of the matter. It was in fact standard practice to surgically alter intersex babies at birth (or as soon as diagnosed; some intersex conditions do not emerge until puberty), and then to follow up with hormone...

The term "hermaphrodite" was dropped from professional usage for a very simple reason that had nothing to do with anyone's social advocacy, one way or another: it was found that hermaphroditism rarely (if ever) occurs in mammals in the manner it is defined in other species, i.e. when a single...

You are absolutely correct about the neurology, but you are overlooking a key fact. Those are relatively recent scientific findings, whereas the history of medical treatments here goes back to mostly the 1950s and 60s. At the time that doctors and surgeons were setting out the treatment...

That is a fair point; however, what I mean is that the Reimer case is directly applicable to intersex persons, and only indirectly applicable to transgender persons. But if you want to look at it that way, the Reimer case also represents a near-total disproof of the idea that gender is a choice...

If anyone actually thinks I'm being inaccurate about the facts of the Riemer case, I refer you all to the primary sources on the matter, which are John Colapinto's groundbreaking article in Rolling Stone magazine (1997, Issue 11, pgs 54-73) and his subsequent full-length book, "As Nature Made...

I'm not responsible for the lack of evidence you bring to the table, and you cannot actually claim to deal in facts when you assert that one anecdotal example is sufficient proof for sweeping generalizations about entire groups.

Finding a single example of a trans person who happens to also be a sex offender does not constitute evidence for the argument that all trans people are sex predators, especially when the crime committed by the cited individual had absolutely nothing with being trans (and, indeed, the cited...

It was confirmed by the journalist who broke the case, and circumcision for cultural or religious reasons is quite invariably done much sooner than eight months, so the timeline of the case would not be consistent with a "regular" circumcision.

In this particular case, the infant was not circumcised for cultural reasons; the infant was circumcised as a treatment for phimosis.

It's honestly become something of an umbrella thread with several not particularly related sub-arguments around LGBT rights/persons. My current involvement is debating @The Immortal Watch Dog over the attacks he's been aiming at trans people in this thread, more specifically on his claims...

Except that actual medical studies consistently show that while transition isn't perfect, it generally results in positive patient outcomes. Even McHugh admitted this; he just argued that the patient outcomes weren't positive enough to justify keeping the clinic open.

You might want to edit your post then, because what it's actually showing is not a nested-quote of my response to him, but just his words falsely attributed to me.

Again, Money's position isn't actually the pro-transgender position, and the pro-transgender position isn't that gender is purely a social construct. And for the record, I am aware of precisely zero cases where anyone pro-transgender cited this case as evidence of anything. To the extent that...

Why are you quoting @The Immortal Watch Dog but attributing his words to me?

I explicitly denounced it as wrong and disturbing. It is nonetheless important to be accurate about the actual facts of what actually happened and for what reasons.

No. The patient in question did not need any neurocorrective medication or therapy, since he never identified as transgender in any way, shape, or form. What happened in this single specific, highly unusual and distinctive case was that the patient was a normal male baby whose penis was...

That is a completely inaccurate and inflammatory way of presenting it. He was in no way a "successful recipient" of gender transition in the first place, the circumstances were entirely different from a trans person, the treatment protocol was completely different from that applied to a trans...