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  1. S'task

    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    I mean... they consistently have? The Excelsior class, the Ambassador, the Galaxy, and the Sovereign all were, for their times and place in the fleet, effectively Battleships. The fact Starfleet didn't call them such, especially the TNG era ones, is more of a factor of the Federation...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Is it though? Let me use a real world example: how many big US naval vessels are present in operational condition at the DC Naval Yards to prevent sea attack on DC? Wait, you've never heard of the DC Naval Yards? Of course not, they're mostly a bureaucratic complex for naval matters close to...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    STiD has a lot of problems, but I don't think they can really be placed at Abram's feet. Almost all the problems go back to the writers, and all the issues you're pointing out aren't faults of the Director, but of the Script itself. Which if you look goes back to the very start of the movie...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    In fairness to Strange New Worlds, they're not entirely milking the nostalgia factor. They decided to basically make a Prequel to TOS, using the captain of the Enterprise just before Kirk, Christopher Pike. Per the TOS Episode "The Menagerie" Spock served as a science officer under Pike in his...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    It's also more than that. Try as they might to erase Shatner's Kirk, they cannot. As soon as people pick up a Star Trek movie... Shatner's in them. Especially if you go looking for the best Trek movies (Star Trek II and VI) are heavily focused on Shatner while having a long form character arc...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    The Prime Directive is an interesting example of how Liberal/Progressives take good ideas to far and then act morally superior where normal people go "what the actual fuck." The Prime Directive, as presented in TOS, made a lot of sense as a lesson learned both from the Columbian Exchange...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Ehh... there were quite a few TOS episodes that clearly treated Starfleet as military and the characters themselves saw themselves as potentially military. "Errand of Mercy" and "Balance of Terror" both come to mind and showcased very much that Kirk and Spock both saw themselves as serving in a...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Except we know that Klingons will change their views and attitudes as they age, and it wasn't a few more years, it was decades. IE we know that some very hardline Klingons changed their views on the Federation in their adulthood enough to consider a member of the Federation a close personal...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    hahahaha hehehehe "Klingon Sense of Honor" Yeah, that's not a thing, despite all their big talk. The Klingons consistently showed they'd set honor aside to get advantage over each other, stab each other in the back, and even work with outside powers to pursue their own ends (I mean, the...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Yeah... no, and once again your utter ignorance of the actual history of Eugenics and Star Trek is showing. Firstly, bear in mind when the original issues with the "genetically superior supermen" was written and who it was written by: World War 2 veterans. To them transhumanism and eugenics...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Intolerance for genetic engineering goes back to TOS and "Space Seed", but the ridiculous punishments does go to Berman Trek and DS9.
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    O.o You do know I wrote up that chart myself? You're functionally accusing me of lying about the reason for the chart's very existence. I didn't copy it from any other website. I originally posted it here, where the purpose was to use the length of service of a hull as the Enterprise to...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    We can't add the All Good Things timeline at all, that's nonsense. That timeline was specifically created by the Q as part of the test, and has absolutely nothing in common with the Prime Timeline so it gives no indication of the success of the Galaxy frame as the Q specifically ensured that...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    She was, the original list was for "number of years serving as the Enterprise", and that hull only had the name for seven years, prior to that she was USS Yorktown.
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    I noted elsewhere the hull time for the various Enterprises, I'll repost here: NCC-1701 (Constitution/Constitution Refit): 2245 - 2285 = 40 Years NCC-1701-A (Constitution Refit): 2286 - 2293 = 7 Years NCC-1701-B (Excelsior): 2293 - 2337 = 44 Years NCC-1701-C (Ambassador): 2337 - 2344 = 7 Years...
  16. S'task

    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Even with all that pressure though, Voyager had some great episodes, including what is arguably the best two-parter in the entire franchise: "Scorpion". Yeah, yeah, I know, sacrilege, "Best of Both Worlds" is the greatest two parter blah blah. But here's the thing. "Best of Both Worlds" isn't...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    It also makes some of the Star Trek bits nonsensical. The Navigational Deflector, for instance, is clearly blocked by the hull. Even if that's supposed to be something else, like a sensor array... it's still blocked by the hull...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    It's even arguable that the Defiant might adhere to Rule 2. When you look at the Defiant from a low angle you'll note that the Nacelles hang lower than the hull and that the hull dips back up, which means there's a chance the Nacelles have that 50% visibility. At a minimum they HAVE visibility...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Unlike others, I find this entire premise inherently flawed due to one simple fact. Even in the Enterprise Era, Navigational Deflectors were a THING used by EVERYONE. The simple existence of these devices basically negates railguns entirely as the way a railgun works is by taking a small mass...
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    Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans

    Phaser have a specific set of abilities... saying they do what the plot needs them to do is... a bit of a stretch. Phaser are consistently shown to direct fire energy weapons that range in power from stun to disintegration. They tend to have multiple beam settings from beam to spread, and...
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