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  1. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    I always hated the entire "Star Trek ships are dumb because exposed warp nacelles!" line of argument. The entire thing is spurious, as it basically is saying "I don't like how Star Trek Warp works because it makes it so that my flying box designs aren't boxes!". Consider how many peer factions...
  2. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    That's a fair criticism of the game, and one I think even the designers I think realized as time went on. In their biggest war arc, the Iconian War, they actually did a lot with missions that while combat oriented involved more than combat, like recovery operations post battle, and the climax...
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    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    The Odyssey didn't just get rammed in the Deflector (which tends to be highly charged), but the location it was hit by the bugship almost exactly lined up with where the primary anti-matter fuel storage was. IIRC the episode even has it go down with a series of explosions, there's the initial...
  4. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    Is Security lacking and could use some specialized operators or just plain better combat training? Sure, I'll grant that. Does it then follow they need a Marine Corp? No, that doesn't logically follow at all. A Marine Corp when we talk about it in the modern sense, is basically a completely...
  5. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    . . . Why do they need any of those things? Firstly, Marines are meant as shipboard security to repel invaders (something covered by their normal security personnel and also of questionable use given that by the time enemies can board a Trek ship, the ship is basically about to be destroyed...
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    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    The Defiant is a notable exception to the trend, and was new and unproven technology at the time. As to the NX's "polarized hull plating" that appears to be a precursor system to SFI or shields. I was speaking mainly in reference to armor through most of the TNG era ships which, save for the...
  7. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    Yes? I get a lot of folks here thinks Trek ships are poorly designed, but it's really telling in setting that NOBODY seriously up-armors ships. Not the Klingons, not the Romulans, not the Cardassians, not the Dominion... NOBODY does it. They all similarly depend on the combination of...
  8. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    That's conflating two VERY different types of secondary sources. The Eaglemoss booklets are typically written with background information taken from the show's development journals and the like, not just made-up stuff for fictional stories. In fact, most of the non-screen information in the...
  9. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    I'd always hesitate to call the Lakota vs Defiant fight very definitive for anything, both ships were holding back a LOT in the engagement and seeking to disable, rather than destroy, the other ship. You'll note neither ship ever used Photon Torpedoes in the fight as I recall, limiting...
  10. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    I hate the Galaxy class as much as the next guy and have written long takedowns of its design and capabilities, but you do have to consider the period in which it was designed before entirely calling it Federation hubris. The period in which the Galaxy was designed was one of the most peaceful...
  11. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    You're comparing apples and oranges. Yes, the Defiant class is only slightly slower than the Galaxy class, but that shouldn't come as a surprise, the Galaxy class is at least 20 years older as far as design goes and, to be frank, has terrible warp geometry based on pretty much every other...
  12. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    Uhh... no it can't? For the period it was designed in the Defiant class is notably slow for its size and role when compared to its contemporary designs. The maximum warp of the Defiant class is Warp 9.5, meanwhile the similarly small Saber class has a maximum warp of 9.7. Meanwhile the Akira...
  13. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    Err... You're forgetting something that we know has happened in real life: terminology drift. Warships in real life are perfect examples of this, as technology and construction methods have improved, warships have just gotten bigger, considerable larger in fact than their prior counterparts to...
  14. S'task

    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    STO Canon: Caitian Atrox Carrier - Official Star Trek Online Wiki (gamepedia.com)
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    Star Trek The Birth of a Federation Military

    The answer to 3 is that not only would S31 not aid it, they would actively seek to eliminate it. So yeah, the entire idea dies in the cradle as all its chief proponents quietly change their mind or die off. Most folks have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Section 31 IS and what they see...
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