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The question is what are just vices and what does actual harm to others. The issue that I'm sure Bacle and Vyor immediately are thinking of that turns them off from the traditional understanding of liberty is pornography. They dislike that many social conservatives seek to restrict access or...

Then you entirely missed the point of what I was doing. The OP was asking who was supporting Liberty in these times, I pointed out that many are for their definition of liberty. My purpose was to spur discussion that perhaps the modern definition of liberty is, in fact, part of the problem and...

Bacle, stop labeling everything you don't know and doesn't fit in your ideals "tradcon". I just showed that the definition of Liberty I was citing had a long history OUTSIDE of what you dismiss as "tradcon" thinking. de Tocqueville, despite what you seem to think, was a very influential writer...

OK, look, don't blame me for your complete failure to have learned the philosophical history of the US. To say the second definition was not common nor understood historically is, well, completely false. In fact, the second definition was so common in the 19th century and earlier that it was...

This entirely depends on what you define as "Liberty" and if you go with the modern "the right to do whatever I want" or the classical definition of Liberty, which was "the right to do what is moral." If you go by the second, which most traditional conservatives do, then there are many who...