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    Books Heinlein Discussion Thread

    In fact, come to think of it, Verhoeven would have been better off just trying to criticize American military interventionism. At least his work would have been coherent as a satire if he had done that, instead of trying to make his work about something he obviously doesn't understand.
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    To go back to the resignation thing - it just shows furthermore how little Verhoeven understands of totalitarianism. People who epically fail in totalitarian societies don't resign - they get executed, or compelled to commit suicide, or just "disappear". Neither do totalitarian dictators (if the...
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    This is the same Council that tolerates the Batarians as a semi-major power.
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    The Turian government and civic society is their military - there's no distinction between any of the three. That's a level of regimentation and authoritarianism that no society IRL has come even remotely close to. Not even the Galactic Empire or the Imperium of Man reach that. It's right...
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    Their approach to occupation is to herd everybody into "safe camps" - anybody who doesn't go into a camp, gets executed by aforementioned death squads. Turians are actually supremely fucked up. Wow.
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    What Verhoeven is really angry about is "unsophisticated", "stupid", "lowest-common denominator" American cultural products being dominant in Europe. That's what really makes it sting for him.
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    Yeah, apparently they have literal death squads who run around and go door-to-door executing civilians during times of war.
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    Euros have been sneering at America as unsophisticated and stupid since before Independence.
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    It makes him salty.
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    Because he was traumatised by Americans bombing a German V2 base near his house during the liberation of the Netherlands, and this later combined with a degree of resentment over American cultural influence in Europe. In fact, during the commentaries of the SST movie he says that American...
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    Yeah. Verhoeven tries to show us a totalitarian society, but forgets to put in actual totalitarian substance - no regimentation of society as a whole, no secret police, no worship of the "Glorious Leader" (the closest the Federation has to such resigns in public disgrace halfway through the...
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    The portrayal of the Federation makes perfect sense when you realise that it's 1990s-era America, seen through the eyes of a psychological basket case who thinks that America's cultural influence through Europe is equivalent to Nazi Germany actually conquering European countries and slaughtering...
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    I wouldn't give the SST movie much heed - it fails both as a criticism of fascism/totalitarianism and as an adaptation of Heinlein's work. The only thing it's good at is as an expose of Paul Verhoeven's childhood trauma over Allied air raids in WW2 occupied Holland and his resentment over...
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    What makes it especially hilarious is that the Federation in the book isn't trying to wipe out the bugs, but to figure out a way of communicating with them and then negotiate some kind of peace.
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