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  1. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Genetic Fallacy, you're calling for MLK's statements to be discarded due to their philosophical source, rather than anything about the statements themselves. What of the "I have a dream" speech pushes specifically for Communism? Just because an idea came from a certain place, doesn't mean you...
  2. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Again. There wasn't an "Our Nation" in the popular consciousness at the time. The concept of swearing loyalty to "the United States" was a niche thing, that attitude came to prominence specifically because of the Civil War showing the problems of lacking any strict cohesion. And also the US...
  3. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Get it through your skull: There was not any "Our Nation" at the time. This is your core crippling incomprehension on the matter. It was not understood as "treason" particularly immediately, because secession was an open question, and "The Union" was just the framework of cooperation between the...
  4. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Actually, I was mainly recognizing the existence of the Stormfags. It's very rare to see clear examples of one or the other, because both have reason to stick to the indistinguishable "leave solution hanging" posting habit mentioned by others. The former just-taking-note because they don't...
  5. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Note that this has the very major separation of "People who are Jewish are in fact responsible, can we please stop letting antisemitism be a shield for this bullshit" and "The Jewish People are responsible, Remove Juden"
  6. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    This is the part that causes such a mess because it does because US citizenship is Constitutionally defined as "born to American Citizens or on American soil". There's a small island with no permanent inhabitants in an interesting legal grey area that counts for this.
  7. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Err... You read it the wrong way around. It's no more than 30%, not less, meaning that it forces de-ghettoization.
  8. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Since I missed these points in my original post: The term was introduced into the conversation explicitly ethnically, not as a geographic term, and the ethnic distinction of the Iberian Peninsula is in fact rooted in the interbreeding between conquering Muslims and the local population. One...
  9. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Citations, please? Particularly on the ones I actually mentioned as sources of ethnic mixture, which did not include Rome. I know perfectly well that Rome actually did have specific measures to stem interbreeding and mentioned such measures as a source of exceptions, which you agreed to the...
  10. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I'll quote the post that began this particular bit from me, to show the statement I was arguing against: As you can see, it is specifically attributing genocide to the extensively overarching label of "White", which we agree is beyond the scope of ethnicity. I'm not letting the lot of you...
  11. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    In case your reflexively strawmanning hypocritical mess of a brain can't tell, that is the point I was making in the first place! If "American" isn't a race because it is not a single distinct lineage, how can a set containing it alongside the predecessors that mixed to form it be one? That was...
  12. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    So you just completely ignore the first paragraph because you can't strawman it into your "racial" identarian bullshit? The paragraph you are responding to is a matter of saying that the level "genocide" actually applies to is much lower, often below the level of even individual nations. Great...
  13. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Interbreeding without cultural erasure (which is the entire point of specifying preservation of ideas and values) is not, and has never been by any definition in common use from the start of the term's existence, genocide. Because the genetic properties are not outright lost outside very narrow...
  14. Morphic Tide

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    The main thing to note about denouncing White Nationalists is that you can't just denounce them. The underlying "winning" strategies have centered on accepting the common touchstones used as a "wedge" while rejecting the further matters, gaining the moderates by rejecting the extremes of...
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